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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    No I agree with the above. I was referring to some still having the same attitude and responses as though we still knew nothing about this virus or how deadly (or not!) it was and to whom.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Maybe you should have another read of some of the posts. Some of these people are still living in total fear of something that is no more dangerous than the sniffles to the vast majority of people at this stage and lashing out at anyone who tries to inject a bit of objectivity and reality into the conversation.

    I could totally imagine such people running to a store manager if they spotted someone in the local Tesco not wearing a mask.

    It's these sort of people that have partly led to the hyper cautious approach to the "crisis" that has been taken in this country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Some of these "experts" will not want to let the publicity and no doubt money they've received for commentary like this go.



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    I can imagine that anxious and/or introverted people loved masks, social distancing, and work from home.

    It was their normal life conditions suddenly made national policy. Everyone was living like them, in effect. We were living their normal.

    In fact, you could argue that what we called restrictions were already self-imposed by these people on themselves, by themselves, for years into the past before the pandemic even sprung up.

    Of course they're going to be devastated by the easing of restrictions.

    When everyone was social distancing / avoiding social engagement / working from home / and wearing masks etc., it probably made them feel totally normal. Entering a pub / restaurant and being told where to sit, and to avoid others, must have been a fantastic experience for them.

    But they have to get used to the fact that it's not normal to social distance, wear masks, avoid gatherings, work from home, and so on.

    They can continue to wear masks for the rest of their lives, stay at home for the rest of their lives, and all the rest.

    Just leave the rest of us alone, thanks!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭bloopy




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  • Registered Users Posts: 647 ✭✭✭eddie73


    All I can say in return is that I wore a mask during 2021 as instructed, got covid. Passed it onto my uncle despite wearing one in his house when visiting him before xmas. No sneezing. No coughing. The margins are tiny in terms of protection. In fact, it is a dangerous thing to expect to be protected when wearing one, so people should be aware of this rather than going into situations thinking they are potentially going to spread or pick up coronavirus. I think that if people wore N95 masks they would have better protection v virtually no protection from the ones we are all wearing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭timmymagoo


    At the start it was normal to be wary of the virus because the media and politicians told us we were goosed and the propaganda was heavy

    By May 2020 any sane person with a mathematical mind knew this virus was no big deal

    2021 deaths in ireland when released will be under 30k total , less then 2018 and 2019

    The reason you have such higher deaths in the some other countries is due to hospitals sending elderly very sick people with covid back to nursing homes, they did not protect the very setting that needed protection

    But you are 100% right, many people have enjoyed lockdowns - Working from home, pup 350 per week, no nightclubs open, no annoying young ones hanging around in groups, spying and informing on neighbours who were meeting family in back gardens, etc etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,583 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Tool, Spiritualized, All Together Now festival for starters.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Ride, PJ Harvey, Pixies, Public Service Broadcasting, Therapy?, IDLES(x2)



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,438 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I could totally imagine such people running to a store manager if they spotted someone in the local Tesco not wearing a mask.

    After masks are no longer mandatory in those settings? 'Imagine' is certainly the operative word in that sentence.

    They can continue to wear masks for the rest of their lives, stay at home for the rest of their lives, and all the rest.

    Just leave the rest of us alone, thanks!

    In what way do you envisage such people 'interfering' with the rest of us after all restrictions have been lifted?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Did you wear a seatbelt when you didn't drive a car?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭phobia2011


    What are the chances of vaccines not required for international travel in Europe?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You don’t need to be vaccinated now for international travel in Europe



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    Some people just love restrictions. We had to cancel a group trip for next weekend on Friday due to 2 not feeling safe to go. All fully boosted, healthy 30something year olds. 3 of the group have had covid already. Then one of the people who didn't feel safe was posting and highlighting how the government went against NPHET again and had the letter to government to back this up on what's app yesterday. My own feeling is if you want to stay at home do, but let those who want to move on with their lives do so. I've heard of so many people in their late 30s, early 40s pass away in the last few months. Nobody knows what tomorrow will bring. Nothing is guaranteed. Life is supposed to be enjoyed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭phobia2011


    I’ve been told to travel to Spain(lanzarote) anyone in family 12+ requires a vaccine, and booster(last dose) required within 9 months.

    would love this to be incorrect



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    I assume a negative PCR within 72 or antigen within 48 hours would suffice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,438 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    let those who want to move on with their lives do so. 

    Again, how will those people be prevented from doing so once all restrictions are lifted?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭bloopy




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    • Proof of vaccination, or
    • Proof of recovery, or
    • Either a negative PCR test taken within 72 hours prior to arrival in Spain, or a negative antigen test taken within 48 hours prior to arrival in Spain




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Somebody please explain to me the current nonsense around masks? Do people still need to wear them entering and exiting a bar and restaurant and to go to the jacks?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    With 3 pharma/bioscience companies in his pocket,I would fully expect Prof Mills to come out firing !!

    Opsona Therapeutics, TriMod Therapeutics and Parvalis Tx

    Keep on-message...that's the message !!


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They can't interfere, but they'd absolutely love to.

    And I just don't want to hear about it. Clearly they are introverted / anxious etc., but don't come to me about masks and worrying and all that kind of drama and stuff.

    Just want these people to stay away.

    On social media, you have more prominent voices talking up this kind of drama too. We all know who they are at this stage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,438 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    They can't interfere, but they'd absolutely love to.

    And I just don't want to hear about it. Clearly they are introverted / anxious etc., but don't come to me about masks and worrying and all that kind of drama and stuff.

    Just want these people to stay away.


    So what in practical terms are you anticipating? That these people will be ringing you up in the middle of the night telling you you should be wearing a mask?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Interesting point too.

    I gave up on my local barber,due to their over zealous interpretation of the regulations.

    Luckinly,I found a Pakistani family operation in North Inner City Dublin,who has been my port of tonsorial call since June 2020,with NO big fuss over waiting or masking....thus far all of the staff & customers I've met are still alive.

    A miracle perhaps ? 😇


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I see some comments re Kingston Mills comments yesterday. I watched it live and I think it's important to put what he said in Context.

    Firstly Kingston Mills has in my humble opinion been one of the more pragmatic "Real" experts throughout this, indeed he was one of the first people to forcefully push for antigen testing.its also worth pointing out, he has not generally supported restrictions or lockdowns and more importantly he stresses his "Delight" at the lifting of restrictions.

    Rightly or wrongly, he pointed out his surprise at the covid passes being done away with, primarily because he believes they offer reassurance in Hospitality settings , now of course there are many diverging opinions on this , I'm personally of the opinion they were pointless at this stage. Vulnerable people have the choice to avoid crowded places.

    But , his other argument was the covid passes did encourage booster take up and we've got to be honest and say, a lot of younger people thought more about the ability to socialise, rather than the medical reasoning behind vaccination and boosters. His point being, there is now essentially no incentive for younger people to get boosted and if I'm correct , boosting levels in the younger cohort is pretty poor, already 100k doses have gone out of date (I suspect the real figure, much higher)

    So, I'm neutral on his arguments, I want to make it clear, I'm delighted were moving on but to be completely objective, Kingston Mills made some valid points, agree to disagree but they were good points. Let's also not forget, few people will now bother their arses either doing antigen tests or for that matter uploading the results, what that means, I can't be sure.

    That my morning contribution 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    This thread has it all, guys listening to radio shows they hate, watching tv shows that annoy them, looking at the tweets of people that annoy them and we now have a guy imagining scenarios that will annoy him.

    Great to have things back open, get out there and enjoy it lads.



  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink




  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    "encourage booster take up"... I think you mean "coerce people to take the booster they don't need".

    I'm sorry, but we can't making excuses for, or supporting, people who are advocating for ANY form of restriction. It's over, lets drop the masks and move on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,061 ✭✭✭Irish Aris


    You make some great points Dempo.

    I'll throw in the discussion the fact that many people (I would think around half a million? ) got covid in the last few weeks and many of them wouldn't have got a booster and now they can't get one for 3 months. So i think it is logical that the booster program will slow down somewhat.

    My GP had organised booster shots and I was on their list, but then I got an appointment from HSE so I contacted my GP to cancel. If they have already ordered a booster for me, that's one shot wasted, though I hope that they would have other patients interested.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Valid points,and I agree the KM has been one of the more reasoned voices being given media time.

    However,my point remains that in this increasingly blurred Socio/Medical/Pharma world,finding a practioner who is not embedded into the Big Pharma industry is problematic,finding one who is big enough to challenge the mainstream flow is even more unusual.


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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