Russia - threadbanned users in OP

That's a good point actually Russia has not experienced the kind of terrorism that comes from an angry population that can easily cross your sizeable border with them and has virtually nothing to lose

US CIA and other country secret ops would never allow this to happen as it would result in possible uncontrolled escalation

I'm seeing an interesting blend of far-right and far-left people on twitter supporting the Russians in all of this, for completely different reasons:

• Far-Left: Will oppose US foreign-policy regardless of the details. Basically their attitude is if the Americans are on one side then the other side must automatically be in the right - no matter how vile they actually are. You see this a lot in Momentum/Corbynista types. In the past they have used this same logic to support Nicolas Madura in Venezuela and the Cuban regime. Of course the ones taking this way of thinking to a whole new level are our very own MEPs Clare Daly & Mick Wallace. They've openly backed the Chinese Communist party and Syrian dictator Bashar-al-Assad
• Far-Right: They love Putin. He's the archetypical authoritarian strongman. He's anti-LGBT, Anti-feminist, anti-immigrant, pro-christiantity, clamps down hard on the media and political opposition (to the point of incarceration and assassinations) loves projecting a masculine image, fetishises the military and on and on.....

There was a thundering gobsh1te on Joe Duffy. He's stopped short of saying we should fire missiles armed not with war heads, but with love. Send love over there. We need more love.

Yes. That will work. I can already hear the tanks heading back east already.

@Manic Moran what's your opinion on optimal ground conditions for tanks to operate in harsh and muddy conditions thats been raised a few times

It's widely believed the Chechens didn't bomb any apartments blocks , FSB did under the guise of given putin the reason he needed to start the 2nd Chechen war

And how do you hide 100,000 + men and thousands of armoured vehicles, artillery , missles in 2022 especially when everyone has a smart phone and the ability to broadcast to the world..

Answers on a postcard

English is not my first language and I never made any secret about it. It seems you understand what I said anyway since you decided to check grammar instead of points I made.

Without knowing anything about you I would guess that my command of english could be better than your knowledge of irish. Which is kind of sad when you think about it anyway.

Yes, but it does not matter what kind of drive you have, rubber tyre's or tracks, they all need a solid base to work on. Unless they can get purchase, they cannot move and will dig themselves deeper and deeper into the ground. I've seen 8 wheel Tatra's, all live drive with balloon tire's dig themselves into the sand in the desert. Same with track machines, they can also get bogged down too, in muddy conditions.

Stinger missiles are air defense , they would not knock the paint off a tank let alone cripple one.

I accept your resignation from te debate, in fairness you were struggling.

That is literally whataboutery.

Ahh not true

But the likes of Israel and America have updated their tanks with the ability to defeat Anti tank weapons ,it's called learning ,as stated look at Russian tank losses from Afghanistan , Chechen wars , ukraine and syria they lost more than America in Iraq to afghanistan over 20 years .

Your more likely to be stuck by lightning several times over than your going to get killed inside an Abrams tank