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BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

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    #572
    Economics101
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    All this puts the few celebratory glasses of Champagne in Iveagh House into perspective. I have a feeling that if exactly the same people gathered over a few celebratory cups of tea and biscuits it would have been OK.

    But Champagne for anyone other than a Champagne Socialist is verboten. (Sorry for being a bit off-topic, but I couldn't resist it)



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    #573
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,642 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118529572#Comment_118529572

    So even when it's just the Tories you're still going to try the whataboutery tactic.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #574
    Economics101
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118529593#Comment_118529593

    No, you've got that wrong. I was trying to make the point that what has being going on in Downing street was orders of magnitude worse than what went on in Iveagh House. It also puts Golfgate in perspective but I'd better steer clear of that as its sub judice. The basic point is that standards in public life in the UK are now in many respects far worse than in Ireland. It gives me no pleasure to say that.



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    #575
    Muahahaha
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    Boris wrote to a 7 year old girl congratulating her on cancelling her 7th birthday party, you couldnt make this up

    https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1241348429546217475?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1241348429546217475%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.walesonline.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fboris-johnsons-letter-seven-year-22862455




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    #576
    breezy1985
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118530212#Comment_118530212

    Love how she signs off "are you remembering to wash your hands"

    Even the 7 year old knows Johnson needs reminding. But I suppose the 7 year old seems to have a much better understanding of guidelines in general.



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    #577
    km991148
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118529280#Comment_118529280

    and I would like to agree with this - but really - the contempt the Tory gov have shown for the British people over the last 10 years is ridiculous, and the electorate are just not caring (even the fact they now have a cabinet position called 'Secretary of State for Levelling Up' is a complete and utter pisstake - same with renaming the minimum wage as the living wage - which it clearly is not - its all branding and propaganda tricks).

    Its all media tricks and its working. Lots of noise around this bury it in enquiries that will barely see the light of day and take the chances at the local elections.

    But from now until May there is a lot of time to get away with this, plus people will be relieved that "Covid is defeated" (I expect some good news policies - bank holiday maybe? Some extra celebrations for the Queens platinum? and of course Three word slogans plastered everywhere..) Then there will be time to find some dirt on the Labour party (even Keir's beer was enough to blurry the line - 'they are all the same innit - can't trust any of them' rhetoric..)



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    #578
    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118530372#Comment_118530372

    There is no time to get away with this because he's stuck with it. It's been an utter treasure trove of scandal that seems infinite. He's tanked in the polls. He's done for as that's the only thing they seem to care about. His northern MP's want levelling up whereas if the southern MP's wanted that, they'd be Labour MP's.

    Some parasite's birthday and tabloid chicanery will not change this. He's done. Maybe not today or tomorrow but he's teetering on the brink. They've spent an awful amount of political capital and gotten absolutely nothing in return. They either ditch him now so they can build themselves up for the next election or they're done. The tabloids won't be able, or even willing to save him. He's done.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #579
    breezy1985
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118530372#Comment_118530372

    Most people don't care about leveling up or whatever and I agree previous scandals didn't really hurt him but you can't ignore 10 points down in the polls, terrible by-elections and defections and having staff resigning and grovelling for forgiveness.



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    #580
    km991148
    Registered Users Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭km991148


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118530623#Comment_118530623

    I know all this.. but.. nothing would surprise me with the duplicitous entitled crass sneaky fu(k.



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    #581
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118530642#Comment_118530642

    Going won't be his choice - He absolutely categorically will not "do the right thing" or step down "for the good of the Party" etc.

    He will be dragged out kicking and screaming and slink back to his (better paid) job in the media where he will set about vindictively trying to destroy any and all that he feels didn't completely prostitute themselves to help him stay in No. 10

    Equally , if the Tories think they can get away with it they will do nothing as well, however all the polling and the recent bi-election reversals suggest that they need to be seen to do something and the only "something" available is getting rid of Boris.

    Firing a few Private Secretaries or whatever isn't going to cut it.



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    #582
    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118530623#Comment_118530623

    They do but it's not a primary concern. "Get Brexit done" was why he won votes from such a broad coalition of voters. Thing is, that strength is now a weakness. He has a horde of unruly northern MP's with no incentive to toe the line and who are immune to threats of losing their seats. Northern voters will want levelling up but southern Tories despise the idea. If they didn't, they'd vote Labour.

    Hypothetically, if he had one hundred billion pounds (damn US keyboard), what could he do with it anyway that would pay off for him by the next election?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #583
    zv2
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    I see the police commissioner is now investigating the cake issue on Boris's birthday. What commissioner worth their sweat would waste public money on this? What level of feeble-mindedness is society sinking to?

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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    #584
    Kermit.de.frog
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    Untitled Image

    There goes the appointed successor



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    #585
    Tony EH
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    😆

    Hmmmm...I wonder who leaked that particular titbit to the news.



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    #586
    Leroy42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118532639#Comment_118532639

    You don't think the police should investigate laws being broken?



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    #587
    salonfire
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118532639#Comment_118532639

    Exactly, the whole thing is a load of old tattle. Fair play to Johnson for continuing to live relatively normal. The rest of the country could have enjoyed the same relative freedoms had he got his way in the first place. He was slow to lock down and first to open up. Only for mass hysteria taking over, he was forced to introduce the very restrictions people are looking back asking themselves why were they doing it.

    The problem isn't the parties. The problem was the restrictions imposed for so long. Restrictions Johnson did not fundamentally want.



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    #588
    Danzy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118503240#Comment_118503240

    The Tories only just have to be viewed as shi7 but less so than the opposition.


    That has been an easy task for a long time now.


    There is an onus on Labour to be serious as a movement.


    Johnson is still toast though.



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    #589
    Danzy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118532639#Comment_118532639

    The law remains the law, regardless of what you think of it.


    Are you a Labour supporter?



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    #590
    AllForIt
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    I thought David Davis's attempt at a Geoffrey Howe moment that famously led to Thatchers demise fell a bit flat. He might live to regret that me thinks. Something about it just seemed a bit too personal, as he himself put himself forward for the leadership some years ago but he didn't exactly inspire. In the name of God David try to hide your bitterness.



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    #591
    AllForIt
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118532639#Comment_118532639

    The timing of this seems a bit odd to me. The Gray report isn't out till tomorrow, unless Dick has had an advanced copy of it.

    And Cressida Dick is in heaps of trouble herself over so many issues. I do wonder if that fact played some role in her making the decision to investigate. The last thing she want's is to be thought of as protecting the government. So yeah, I kinda feel she's acting out of her own interests here.



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    #592
    Ahwell
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118533371#Comment_118533371

    ..and you are basing these assertions on what exactly?...your extensive knowledge of virology?  The first major report looking into the UK’s response to the coronavirus concluded that the initial handling of the outbreak was "one of the worst public health failures in UK history". According to Prof Neil Ferguson from Imperial College London, had the first lockdown been imposed a week earlier at least 20,000 lives would have been saved. That's down to Boris Johnson.



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    #593
    salonfire
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118533514#Comment_118533514

    Since those who died with the virus lived longer than the average life expectency, can we expect a full scale reaction to the causes of death to those at or lower than the average life expectency?

    Downing Street had the most access to the information at hand and after a few months realised it was all a lot of nonsense. And they acted accordingly. .



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    #594
    Ahwell
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118533523#Comment_118533523

    What utter nonsense...I just can't be arsed...really



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    #595
    Leroy42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118533371#Comment_118533371

    So the defence of the PM is that he was completely powerless to lead the country and someone else was making the laws?

    On that basis alone he should resign as he has failed in his job as the PM.

    Claiming powerlessness as a PM is never a good idea.



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    #596
    breezy1985
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118533386#Comment_118533386

    Are you talking about the Labour opposition that are 10 points ahead. Not sure what more an opposition can do other than be overwhelmingly popular with the electorate.

    The whole thing of blaming all this on Labour for being a shi7 opposition had been blown to bits.



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    #597
    AllForIt
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118533514#Comment_118533514

    No, closing down a week earlier wouldn't have made a jot of difference to anything. Especially as the variants became more transmissible over time.

    The UK's Coronavirus death rates have everything to so with the fact that the UK has one of highest levels of obesity in Europe. Their diet is appalling. They think Pot Noodle is proper food.

    They can't cook, or even make a sandwich to give their kids to take to school, which is why that whole controversy kicked off about 'school meals'. I bet their school meals are pure muck. And the irony is the Brits go on about the get British 'sauni or 'butty'' as they affectionately call them. They can't even make them to begin with. And then they say fish & chips is their 'signature' dish. Yeah eat greasy chips every day, fine. What could go wrong.

    At least Bojo recognized he was in trouble because he said he was 'too fat'. Dead right, that exactly why he was in trouble but you know you can't say 'fat' anymore in case someone gets offended.

    Obesity has like never before been such a huge elephant in the room issue and when this virus is over it is time to bring that subject up again. Stats from the UK say that obesity levels have gone UP since 2020. That just blows my mind.



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    #598
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,642 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118533523#Comment_118533523

    You have proof of this? It's weird how some people are so desperate to defend a corrupt, would-be upper caste in another country, particularly to the point of implying some people's lives are worthless because they were of a certain age.

    Post edited by ancapailldorcha on

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #599
    zv2
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118533339#Comment_118533339

    It is their discretion to do so. But thousands must have shared a birthday with Johnson and probably had cake. Did they all obey the rules I wonder. It's all a load of infighting. I don't think most of them could give a damn about who drank wine or had birthday cake. It is a fiasco. Let it not be said by the historians that when WW3 started on the eastern front the British were arguing about cake. lol.

    Besides, I have been arguing, since the beginning of the pandemic, for a special birthday cake swat-team to be assigned to Downing St. but did anyone listen?

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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    #600
    zv2
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118533371#Comment_118533371

    My opinion of Johnson has actually gone up these last 2 years. To quote the film title, it is "A Very British Coup".

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    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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    #601
    I see sheep
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    Being reported that Gray has briefed no.10 on the findings and that 'it's not good news'.



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