What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

That's the thing too with this "better life" nonsense, it can mean anything from embracing Western culture, to simply having a better lifestyle financially and rejecting Western culture. it's way too general to even have any coherent meaning.

Well at least now I understand the definition of colonisation you’re working off, your argument is a little less ridiculous, and a lot more reasonable. So, in the spirit of good faith, I took your first example of the ISLAM political party in Belgium -

The party was founded with the intention of participating in the 2012 local elections. Lists were submitted in the City of Brussels, Anderlecht and Molenbeek-Saint-Jean. In Anderlecht and Molenbeek, one seat was won with just over 4% of the votes. In Brussels, party chairman Abdelhay Bakkali Tahiri narrowly mised being elected with 2.9% of the votes. Both seats were lost in the 2018 local elections.

Your argument is still as wildly unreasonable as suggesting that Ireland is being colonised when the country’s first Muslim TD was elected to Dáil Éireann back in 1992, and there hasn’t been a Muslim TD elected since -

Probably before your time, he was colloquially referred to as the Indian among the cowboys 😂

Some people here have actually been to the Middle East and know what they are talking about...

Is that what the question was about last night? You think because you spent time in Muslim countries you’re now an authority on World Politics?

Could you quantify “a lot” at all, or be more specific, seeing as you imagine you’re some sort of an authority on the matter?

I don’t have to have been to the Middle East to know what BS looks like, I know what it smells like without ever seeing it.

A better life means just that - better than the life they currently have, or the life they expect to have if they stay in their home countries. It has a really coherent meaning that’s really not as difficult to understand as you make out.

Oh you’re actually serious? It IS an actual pissing contest. Great.

You could spend your whole life in ME, or Iraq, or wherever, and still come home clueless, as many, many people do. Y’know why? Because they’re big feckin’ countries with all sorts of cultural differences and nuance that simply cannot be fully understood nor articulated by one individual with their own biases and beliefs.

The matter is immigrants in Ireland, and the sum total of your contribution is “a lot of Muslim immigrants are extremists”. Well observed, Watson 🙄

Hold your horses there a minute Fandymo and let’s examine that “facts over feelings” expression that’s become something of a mantra for some.

Your argument consists of rousing prejudice and scaremongering of immigrants with ideas like they’ll take over Europe by having all the babies and in about… ohh, 1,000 years, we’ll all be sorry we didn’t listen to you when we’re a minority in our own country.

Fact - We’ll all be dead by then.

Now if you want to go from there instead of channeling Enoch Powell and coming off more like Tommy Robinson, certainly as I’ve demonstrated already, I’m willing to give you a fair hearing. If your arguments are along the same lines as your previous efforts (I’ve seen better from you, which is why I said what I said this morning), then let’s both stop wasting each other’s time.

Europe was built by Europeans... we shouldn't be expected to share europe....

You planning on giving back all the resources which Europe took from foreign lands, forego all future resources which Europe needs from foreign lands?

I didn’t think so, but sure it makes for a rousing sound bite all the same.

No doubt you’re also an expert in survival techniques (I’m guessing you’re an expert in everything), so I would suggest you gather together all the people who share your ideals, find yourselves a bit of land that nobody else has any claim to, claim it for yourselves, and build your own nation from scratch. You can even call it Glocktopia* if you like, and see how you get on building a civilisation without any contact with the outside world.

*Wakanda was already taken.

You don’t imagine they considered that possibility already, and that it was a contributing factor in their decision to leave in the first place? Staying where they were, would have meant they would not have been making a better life for themselves or their families.

That’s not to discount the reality that there are many people in every country who stay because they want to make a better future for everyone. I know that’s one of the reasons I stayed anyways when all my friends were emigrating to other countries to make a better life for themselves and their families.

It wasn’t just because I ate a dodgy melon on a beach in Corfu once that made me have an epiphany, I swear…

I had the epiphany in the tiny bath, not entirely unlike many of the great Greek philosophers who did their best thinking on the porcelain throne 🤔

More facile tripe. For a UK comparison, UKIP would be the closest we have to NP, and they've never done very well, likely due to how they approach they topic, or other issues attached, not because there's no demand at all. As we seen with Brexit, there was a large demand for something to be done about immigration.

Another issue, is that the topic has been made all but taboo in Ireland by our masters, it's literally never spoken of in anything but positive terms, which makes it hard to even discuss the issue, never mind making it a voting issue. In every country where anti mass immigration sentiment has grown, it's grown at least somewhat due to it being an issue that gets aired on radio/TV, which results in discussion and debate on the topic, in Ireland we seem years away from that. If you hadn't noticed, media in Ireland is possibly the least diverse in the world, there's no real debate on any contentious issues, and all the talking heads all have the same views. Few countries mirror us in such a manner, and it's the very reason many issues that should be topical never get to leave the ground, as the Irish airwaves are completely controlled. How are people meant to even know that certain issues are issues when they never even hear about them? General news reporting on crime certainly doesn't help either, when every outlet goes out of it's way to try and hide the truth about the demographics involved in said crime.

And once again, as has already been said by others, Ireland was late to the party, so the reaction will come later too if there ever is one.

I should certainly hope so! It’s the whole point of progress - good for some people, not so good for others, and a real disaster for some people.

Overall though, have standards of living improved in Europe in the last ten years? Depends upon what criteria anyone is choosing to factor into any assessment. Again there will undoubtedly be considerable disagreement between the two extremes who are using criteria and evidence which suits their purposes to make their points.

Direct provision in Ireland, just to take one example, has either been a disaster, but in it’s time in operation, it’s made some people incredibly wealthy, and it’s created employment opportunities which will now be closed off as DP is wound down and alternative arrangements are made to integrate and accommodate refugees, asylum seekers, immigrants, into Irish society. Will that change the social landscape of Ireland? Undoubtedly. What positives and negatives will come from that will depend upon the positions people already hold. They’re unlikely to change their positions, so I don’t imagine immigrants will be any better represented in Irish politics than they aren’t already, any more than they aren’t represented in other European countries, even on other continents.

What you’re attributing to multiculturalism though, is actually not the success or failure of multiculturalism. It’s the admittedly abysmal failure of social policies. It wasn’t immigrants who decided upon those policies, nor did they have any influence on those policies.

The people who came up with those policies, and the people who are responsible for their implementation, are politicians who were elected by the people who were entitled to vote in national and European elections. It definitely wasn’t immigrants who put them in positions of power!