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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,862 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    The chap said sorry, leave him alone, sick of these witch hunts for a lad just enjoying himself, accept his apology and get over it, this could happen to anyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭garrettod


    Excellent title for the thread ;-)

    The guy deserves to do serious jail time imho. No "poor little Johnny" stories should be tolerated.

    I'm also a bit disappointed in the guys who were with him, having seen the state that he seems to have been in, you'd think they might have done more to keep him under control.

    As an aside, the article is badly written... but paper rarely refuses ink, I suppose.

    Thanks,

    G.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,860 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Lucky he wasn't shot dead - hopefully he'll get a friendly judge and only have to do some community service like patching up the bullet holes in peoples houses, like it was the cocaine and beers fault after all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,900 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    You must be taking the piss. Going on the session is enjoying yourself. Grabbing a rifle because you can’t get served is beyond ridiculous.

    This is definitely not a witch-hunt. He clearly did it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭MakersMark


    What's a "a high-powered telescopic rifle "?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,860 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭garrettod



    Lucky he didn't shot anyone else, would be my own first thought.

    Total idiot - his actions bring negative publicity on all of us, and have just made life more difficult for anyone else ever wanting to apply for a licence 🙄😡

    Thanks,

    G.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,862 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    And in other news 260K +/- of licensed firearms holders in Ireland DIDN'T go on the piss and do 30 euros worth of coke[Lightweigt!🤣] and go shoot up the town in the same time period. As neither did over one million registered license holders drive under the influence of drugs or booze in the same time period. It's an aberration and should be treated as such.

    After all, we can use the same excuse all politicos and others use when something happens in their worlds. A "bad apple" shouldn't spoil the barrel.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,787 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Mock serious answer: A rifle that fires a cartridge with a muzzle energy over 4,500 joules and has a collapsing telescopic stock.

    Actual answer: There are two types of rifles according to journalists, airsoft and high powered. Airsoft sometimes drift into the high powered category.

    First they came for the socialists...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭freddieot


    I hope the Judge makes an example of him.

    On the plus side, it's good to know that at long last at least some AGS units have received specialised firearms training in order to be able to differentiate between a Shotgun and a Rifle. 😁


    Joking aside, would not want to have been one of the guys responding to that call. No idea what you were facing into...

    Post edited by Cass on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭deerhunter1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 288 ✭✭kunekunesika


    Just luck no one is dead, himself included.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,696 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    MODERATOR NOTE.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,787 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Apologies, I've zero tolerance for muppets like him. If he was out doing armed robbery I'd understand but that kind of behavior annoys me to no end.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    His luck it was the AGS he was dealing with.

    Any other police force would have neutralised the threat in a more direct manner by a swift lead injection, or parking the squad car on him and justifiably so,as he had opened fire in their direction and was possibly carrying an IED[silencer as it later turned out to be] taped to his stomach.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭NiceFella


    If he gets off lightly, we seriously need to have a discussion in this country. Could have easily killed someone. Firing a gun indiscriminately and then at someone's house should be attempted murder.

    I heard a few laughing at this and I really don't get this reaction. Had he shot through there window would they be laughing still?

    The guards would have been totally justified to use lethal force here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭garrettod


    Given he has been arrested and charged, let's see what the judicial system does... its in the hands of our judges now, so let's just hope they manage to get this decision right!

    Thanks,

    G.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,513 ✭✭✭Melodeon


    It's fools like this that give the tough-on-guns political types examples and talking points to advance their agendas.

    I'll be absolutely staggered if this guy ever gets a firearm licence again, and I wouldn't be the least bit unhappy if he does time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,900 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Continue as you were, nothing to see here 😁

    

    I'd agree that journalists don't typically get this details right. But I wouldn't complain too much in the context of Irish Rifles.

    I'd mentally divide rifles into; air rifles, rimfires, varmint centrefires, and deer centrefires, and then the rest. Deer calibres are pretty high powered compared to what else is licensed. Although not compared to the super long range range rifle obviously.

    I was more impressed he said moderator and not silencer. 😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,787 ✭✭✭Feisar


    It's just I never see a rifle in the news that isn't "high powered".

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,708 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    Indeed.

    I always have a chuckle when I see a "high powered" air rifle/pistol, or even worse, a "high powered" airsoft "weapon" 🤣

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,900 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Oh sure. It’d like the threshold is anything above an air-rifle is high powered. I was just thinking that in these case, as he was shooting deer and not rabbits, it’s kinda accurate.

    Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭BattleCorp1


    Just to provide a little balance, the dude has done some good in his life. He risked his own neck here and saved the life of a child.



    I'm not excusing him from his actions in Donegal, just posting this for a little balance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭Mississippi.


    Thanks for that.

    It does show him in a different light allright

    I plink therefore I am



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,787 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Wow fair play to him, suppose I've to do a bit of backpedaling!

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,057 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Seriously, each and every one of you would have done the exact same in the same circumstances if you saw a dog mauling a kid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,787 ✭✭✭Feisar


    I'd like to think I would but going toe toe with a pit bull is no small thing. "If I was there", if has a great habit of not being there. At the end of the day he stepped up to the plate. It'd be a wet day I'd give him a catapult but it does paint the man in a different light.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,057 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I dare to differ.

    Each & every one of you would beat a dog to save a kid & put up with some bites.

    Each & every one of you wouldn't go Rambo cause you couldn't get in to a bar.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,900 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Dogs have attack many kids in front of adults who were unable to stop it.

    Im sure here would want to do the same thing. But doesn’t mean it’s happen.

    I think it stands to him and glad Battlecorp posted it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    Very lucky, if this guy shot someone , we could all be losing our licences.

    I hope he is given a custodial sentence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭17hmr1


    And that's the problem when anything bad happens with people who are licensed for firearms.When a drunk driver kills people we never hear people saying let's ban cars because we all know that's a stupid reaction to a **** individual.

    When someone does a **** thing with a firearm we get people saying stupid things like ban all guns as if everyone with a gun is the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,057 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Unable through disability or even cravenness or fear... fair enough, but trying is what any decent person should or would do. I'm no rambo (despite my tough internet name!), but if you see a kid in harm you jump in. I've done it (not against a dog, but with human scum) and ended up with an expensive dentist bill and a black eye. But we all do it without really thinking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭JP22


    End of day most of us make a few mistakes along the way, lord knows I have make a few, its human nature and par for the course, most of our infractions are minor and irreverent in the greater schemes of things and most do not harm or have a potential to cause harm to people.

    However, in this case, this chap made a major ****-up (apologies for my French & Spelling) and needs to be dealt with accordingly.

    A fraction of an inch either way and someone could have been seriously injured or killed, it could have been my family or it could have been one of yours, your Wife, Husband, Child, Mother, Father, Brother, Sister etc,…………. pause and think of that for a moment.

    And before anyone asks or implies that I’m on a high and mighty stool, I’ll say NO, I’m not. I and colleagues been shot at on numerous occasions in the past (sa, gpmg, rpg, arty/mor/tank/Ied’s, etc….), and I've see the danage firearms can do, TBTG I survived and came home, some serving colleagues have not. RIP for them.

    I will not be his judge or jury as I am totally biased and believe he should do time and be barred from ever again holding a firearm.

    Lads, this is not something to be trivialised, some idiot(s) having a few too many beers is fine for the most part, but if you can’t hold your beer, can’t hold your temper, or your drug of choice (illegal anyway) then you should not hold or never be granted access to firearms. Shite like this will do untold damage to our pastime/sport and it gives more credence to all the antis out there.

    Regardless of one’s past or past heroics, we are all judged by our last mistake, end of.

    Just my tuppence worth.

    Post edited by JP22 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,900 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    People should. But they don’t always in the moment. People panic and do reactionary things. Like running to get a bucket of water.

    I’d be far less concerned about stepping in with a human than a pitbull personally. I’d want a stick or something for the latter. But of course, if there isn’t one you just hope for the best.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,295 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Same. I intervened to a row years ago in Dublin, where a 30+ and his scallywags was threatening a 13/14 yo.

    I swung for his jaw but slipped, catching him full on his throat. Everyone scarpered. That was when I could run. Couldn't do it now though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭dmc17




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭useurowname


    Fair enough. He could count himself very lucky he didn’t shoot anyone, or indeed end up shot himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭JP22


    So the judge has ruled in this case, eight years, fine it he serves all of it, but, with remission and time off for good behaviour, etc. he’ll probably serve five years at best, maybe less.

    As said by others, he can count himself very lucky in that he didn't kill or injure anyone and he is alive, in other jurisdiction’s he would have been shot on the spot by the police.

    The real punishment will be never again being a member of a game club (what club/range would admit him as a member now) and he will probably never hold a firearms license again.

    As the old saying goes - If you play with fire or pull a dogs tail often enough, you will suffer the consequences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭slipperyox


    Interesting to see that an aggravated factor, was that it was a licensed firearm. In other words the judge saw it as also a breach of trust.

    That sounds counter intuitive at first, but the more you think, right.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    What calibre was the rifle he had? And what is actually considered high power? I presume one like is used in certain types of deer stalking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭J.R.


    Also, keeping a deer hunting rifle in a parked car overnight was not a wise, safe practice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭useurowname



    Considerably safer than getting out of your mind on booze and coke and shooting up a town. In fairness the judge commented that owing to the firearms controls in place in Ireland incidents such are extremely rare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,513 ✭✭✭Melodeon


    According to the Irish Times report, it was a Tikka T3X.

    That range of models is available in all the usual deer-legal calibres, and as he was after (as reported) red deer, it's most likely at the upper end of such things: something in the .30" family or 6-7mm I'd suspect.

    "Powerful" by any reasonable definition.

    And obviously WAY more so than the usual "high-powered" beloved of the mass meejia: an EBR in .223Rem/5.56x45.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    I wonder has the Rt honourable judge considered that despite firearms controls in Ireland, which are THE strictest in the EU, his regular customers of the criminal class are not too encumbered by these controls in acquiring, or shooting fellow criminals with much more lethal intent and hardware than a deer rifle?He is dealing with an aberration here and one that whatever legislation in place would never have prevented.

    8 years..Be out in 4 on parole and good behaviour.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 288 ✭✭kunekunesika


    Every thing about what he did or nearly did was wrong. Jail time, obviously, but I can't help feeling that a person know to the gardai, in possession of a 9mm Glock and a 1kg of cocaine would have got a much lower sentence? How long is needed as punishment?

    Cocaine ruins so many lives in this country, and we still report shipments in terms of millions of euros, and not number of fatal doses.

    Thankfully if I was heading to Donegal for a stalk, Id spend my spare 100e on new trousers. I wish he had.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭useurowname


    The judge stated that the matter of the gun license was a matter for the licensing authority. My point was that the judge at least gave a nod to the strict conditions to legally have guns in this country.

    As for the criminal classes” and their propensity for murder with guns my thinking would be that the vast profits available from cocaine dealing is by far the biggest driver of the mayhem that accrues from greedy criminals feuding. Interesting that a young man of seeming good character on a family hunting trip brings a gram of coke along to have after with a few scoops, such now is the normalisation of cocaine use in society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    Madatory min of 10 years for unlawful possession of a firearm?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 288 ✭✭kunekunesika


    Shows how crap my legal knowledge is??? If thats what they're handing out, then my opinion doesn't stack up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭alex90


    I've heard through a friend that the ARU got lost on the way to responding to the shout, and that if he'd had any more ammo on him they would have shot him. He's a very lucky boy indeed.



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