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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If parking is removed along the road on the prom, does that mean no car can ever park in the area and use the prom ever again? Nope, it means there are still 800 parking spaces available, while also allowing for an increase in cycling numbers.

    I guess we'll have to wait and see how the trial pans out. Regardless of whichever option is chosen, it will be proceeding. Even in the public consultation, the option for respondents to choose to "do nothing" is only for people to register their opposition, it will not be one of the options on the table as the trial is proceeding no matter what. See link

    I think this comment in the Tribune sums up why its needed, indeed why a full, connected network of protected bike lanes are needed.

    “It’s important to remember that this cycleway isn’t for people like me – male, middle-aged, able-bodied, confident cycling in traffic. It’s for people you don’t see cycling right now – children, teenagers, women, people with disabilities. It’s for people who would like to cycle to school or shops or work but don’t, because they don’t feel safe sharing the busy road with cars, buses and trucks.”




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,656 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    "I use my car because I come from a village in North East Galway and live in Kingston, I visit my mother... I have over a half a dozen friends in the same similar position... Please explain how that transport works..."

    This will be still possible if there's a cycle lane in Salthill.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I imagine they are referring to the Headford Road which approximately follows the same route.

    The question could be turned on it's head - why does motorised traffic continue to use this route that has pinch points that probably predate the motor car, when there is some very expensive and recent dedicated infrastructure parallel?

    Innovative reallocation of public goods could be the closure of the bridge at the waterworks to motorised transport, leaving it a route for walking and cycling.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    Who cares what the hell they call it as long as it gets built!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭ratracer


    I would have thought they were talking about the path on the other side of the river on the college grounds, and for once, I would agree if this is the case.

    It is easy access this route coming from Tirellan direction ( isn’t there access both sides of the road at the bridge?) And it’s a much safer route than dyke road is currently.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    Considering I was responding to a post about business owners objecting to the cycle lane you seem to have seen an awful lot of yourself in what I said to feel like it was directed at you 😄



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    So your response to kids having their lives endangered by drivers is to tell them to stay off their local road and instead take a longer route on a dual carriageway, through two of the worst junctions in the city; one of which has pretty lights for people on bikes to press which have never even been switched on since the junction opened half a year ago, and the other which involves crossing five lanes of traffic with constant red light breaking? And they should do this because there is a cycle lane which covers a quarter of the route, and has a lethal conflict point with a left turning slip lane, and which abruptly disappears, spitting people on bikes into the main traffic flow at the entrances to two shopping centres?

    Well, at least you've shown your true colours, I guess.

    For all your talk of "It is cyclists that want stop others from doing something not car owners..." and "they don't give a crap about the humans" you're really not giving a good impression of your own attitude towards your fellow humans who don't happen to be behind the wheel of a car.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    The irony of that post is something to behold.

    It starts out with an accusation of narrow minded thinking and goes from there to describing a proposal to allocate less than 25% of the available road width to other forms of transport, while leaving 75%+ for motor travel, as a decision to "massively reduce access to the prom".

    Galway is a city where 20% of households don't have a car, and has many more residents who live in a household with a car but who don't themselves have access to one (most secondary school students, and a significant proportion of third level students, for example). How narrow minded is it to view reducing parking spaces, by a relatively small number from the current total, as "massively reducing access", while completely ignoring the increase in access it offers to a huge portion of city residents?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    He referred to it being 200 yards to the left in response to pictures of kids travelling inbound on the Dyke, so I think it's clear that he was referring to the Headford Road (while also making it clear that he doesn't really know what he's talking about).

    I don't know that I would describe access to the bridge from the Dyke Road as 'easy'. You have to push your bike up steps to get onto the bridge. It's a pain in the hole to be honest and when I've done it with my youngest I've had to push their bike up too. Then, when you get over the bridge, you either have to struggle down the steps by the Kingfisher to stay within the University grounds or mix it with impatient drivers on Newcastle Road.

    For the kids doing the school journey in the pictures I posted it would add 50% to their journey time, and involve crossing the river twice, including over the Salmon Weir bridge. It would also add another dangerous junction to the mix that isn't there now.

    At the end of the day all those dangerous passes on the Dyke Road achieve nothing except putting other road users in danger. They don't get the drivers to their end destination one second quicker. The drivers just get to sit in the queue at the end of the Dyke Road for a few seconds longer. They still get back out onto the Headford Road at exactly the same time they would if they drove safely instead. I know you weren't suggesting that kids on bikes should have to cross the river and take a much longer route, but I think it's worth pointing out that it would be totally unreasonable for them to be expected to do so just so that a certain percentage of drivers can continue to behave like clinical sociopaths.



  • Registered Users Posts: 793 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Maybe because they know there own village... There was no survey of the area... No Business or Residents were asked for there opinion... I socialise in Salthill and this is considered a disaster... There is a belief that this is so bad it must be a deliberate attempt to kill cycle lanes for good...

    They feel like mushrooms... You can't treat people like this, just order them what to do... This is a group that spent a large part of the last few years with people parking in their residential neighbourhoods and going for a walk on the Prom...

    Salthill is a village and it doesn't like to be interfered like this...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 793 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    I think this is a bad idea... I seriously object to it... I think it will put Cycle lanes back not forward...

    Dr. Mannix Rd is far more sensible and use the 1 million this will cost to link Millars lane to Threadneedle rd...



  • Registered Users Posts: 793 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Was told by a councillor personally that the plan for the Salmon Weir bridge came from the consulting crew who were hired for the bypass...

    they were asked what could they potentially do when the bypass was put in...

    The Bus Connect was on the premise that the bypass was going to get built...



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    That is the most heart breaking thing when cycling. People risking your life with dangerous passes all to sit in a line of traffic 5 yards up the road.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,107 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    This again. Give it a rest will you. In a thread I was recently reading you said something to the effect of "I used to live in Galway". Is this not the same thing you're so weirdly obsessed about with Dacor.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There is literally a public consultation open right now seeking their opinions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,107 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    Congrats on being older than me!? So just for the record then, neither you or Dacor live in Galway city. Just so we're all clear. I think going by your rules you aren't allowed post here then, you know, if you're being consistent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,107 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    This is one of the sadest things I've seen in a long time. An apparently grown man thinking like a 5 year old and trying to claim someone has no right to talk about something because their address isn't as good as his. Next he'll be claiming his dad can beet up DaCors dad

    DaCors posts are mainly factual/informative and very little emotive crap. I don't care where they live. Please keep posting the info DaCor! Better 1 of ye than 100 eejits with their feelings on how things work, "sure it's obvious" explanations and obsessions with a supposed "green agenda" that nobody but themselves are stuck on because they know their flogging a dead horse and their ideas are keeping Galway gridlocked.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Incorrect, have heard the Senior Engineer in Galway City say they had to do it regardless of the ring road on local radio. it will be delivered probably a full decade before any possible Ring Road, so it is been done regardless. Maybe when they started planning a decade ago they had this mentality but certainly in the last 4/5 years this has flipped. It took em long enough. Still they are painfully slow implementing the Salmon Weir changes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Do you have more rights than people who live in the City who are directly affected by your commuting patterns?

    City has been constantly growing population wise even during "the crash" years.

    No reason why this cannot continue utilizing the existing infrastructure in a more efficient manner.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 793 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Making it harder... Half the traffic from the prom will be shoved up Kingston Rd... This will clog up Threadneedle Rd and Kingston Rd itself... It will also cause problems in the turn off before Joyces, which will give them another excuse to bring in those disco lights... Someone is making a killing on traffic lights in Galway...

    Then we will find it harder to access our own local village...

    Try and come up Threadneedle road. It is very limited in the amount of traffic it can handle especially coming up the hill...

    The truth is, did anyone who came up with this actual plan actually come from Salthill?



  • Registered Users Posts: 793 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    You are right there...

    This is how it is going...

    McGrath might try and ramming it through but then he will hit the High Court... This will back fire and good luck trying to get public on your side for other stuff... You will loose trust... This proposal and way of shoving it down people's necks was really really bad..



  • Registered Users Posts: 793 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Senior Engineer, elected by who? How is getting on with the Bypass considering he has been working for them for 15 years?

    This is the guy who came up with the Kirwan Junction lights system? Great.....

    Sorry but the executive of Galway City Council seem to think they are a law into themselves after abject incompetence... These are the guys who have over the years given us Eyre Square refurb...

    You better coming with someone else...



  • Registered Users Posts: 793 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Double the population and we are getting less bridges effectively...

    Irish Cycling have objected to the bypass... Well you wonder why there is an up roar on getting a cycle lane on the prom...

    More people from Dublin trying to tell us how we should live our lives... Guess what Dublin has got a bypass or has this guy never seen the M50...



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The M50 is the exact reason why the Galway City Ring Road will not work. Induced demand will very quickly see the road saturated, so much so that the genuine people looking to bypass the city cannot do so, as they'll be stuck in traffic.

    The only solution is to use denser forms of transport within dense area (cities) - its the only solution that works, worldwide. More roads is not a solution.



  • Registered Users Posts: 793 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    So your solution to Dublin Traffic is to close down the M50... Good Luck with that... Tell us how that works out...

    We will also have to get rid of bypasses in Limerick and Cork... We should force people to go through Moate as well, those traffic jams on Fridays were great... We really miss them...



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    How are people still coming here banging on about how essential this bypass is, despite the fact that no bypass is on any plan anywhere? How can they continue to fail to understand this but still be so convinced they're right? It's mind-boggling stuff. And some other lad had decided he knows what defines a Ring Road better than the professionals because he's read a basic maths book (and he's probably thinking of a circle, rings have a different meaning).

    I'm taking some time off from this thread. Don't forget to submit to the Public Consultation https://galwaycity.ie/gccapps/index.php/619865



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The motion that passed in September read: “That Galway City Council shall urgently seek to create a two-way segregated cycle track on a temporary basis along the coastal side of Salthill promenade, specifically the R336 from the junction with Grattan Road up to the junction of the Prom/Blackrock Tower and a one-way cycle track from the latter junction up to where the R336 meets with the R337, and shall immediately apply for Covid-19 funding or any available alternative source of funding to facilitate this.”


    There was no clarity what implications it would have for two-way traffic, which will for one section at least, go one-way; and for public transport, which will have to re-route.

    Jesus wept, I despair. Of course there wasn't clarity, there were no plans drawn up prior to that vote. The vote meant design work could proceed, which it has done and it has highlighted the known implications. The trial will highlight unknown implications.

    As for high court, lash ahead. On what grounds though and who is going to pay the 40-50k for the case to proceed? The folks in The Village Salthill" likely won't otherwise they would have done so by now. Thats not to say someone won't take a case, the avenue is there to be used, I just can't see anyone willing to risk losing the cost of the case to fight for free parking.

    Either way, such a case would merely delay implementation, not postpone it. As was seen during the mobility measures survey and the current consultation, there is a massive appetite for measures such as this. Indeed the Sandymount trial highlighted an opportunity to update legislation to allow councils to explicitly run trials without any planning permission. This update is underway.

    I'll happily put a wager down with anyone, that if the trial runs from Mar-Sep as planned, the folks in The Village Salthill group will see the highest turnover for several years as the trial will open the area up to MORE people, not less



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The M50 actually has a use case as a bypass because there is sufficient traffic that actually bypasses Dublin city.

    This is not the case for Galway. The amount of traffic seeking to bypass Galway city entirely is less than 2% of all journeys in the city. You are advocating building a €500m+ road to address a problem that effects less than 2% of traffic through the city. Insane.

    The solution to Dublin traffic is a metro, more buses, more trams.

    The solution to Limerick traffic is buses, trams.

    The solution to Cork traffic is trains, buses, trams.

    More roads does not alleviate traffic in the long-run. Again this has been proven to be the case all over the world - why can't you face the facts?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    "Irish Cycling have objected to the bypass."

    There is no such body as Irish Cycling as far as I am aware. There is a website, www.irishcycling.com, but they report on competitive cycling so I very much doubt they've expressed an opinion on the Galway Ring Road.


    "More people from Dublin trying to tell us how we should live our lives"

    You were seemingly referring to www.irishcycle.com, which isn't a body or organisation either. It's another website run by a single person. He is not from Dublin and does not live in Dublin to the best of my knowledge. I understand he's actually much closer to us here.


    But don't let inconvenient things like facts and accuracy get in the way of your illogical ranting...........



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