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Newstalk: Off The Ball

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Then they advertise the rugby show - great I think to myself...

    Then...on comes Fiona Hayes. I got a pain in my ear listening to her squeak. Another Ursula Jacob. I literally had to turn the volume down it was so bad, then I struggled to hear Joe and Gerry.

    Fiona Hayes: "I was textin' Fiona and we were wanderin' " Can they not get someone on who doesn't butcher the english language? The word is WONDERING.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    No one gets into GAA because of their local club

    Think that's completely untrue for most GAA players. The GAA is one of the strongest community builders throughout Ireland. Many successful intercounty players (including two OTB commentators, David Brady iirc and definitely Tommy Walsh) speak very passionately about what the club means to them. I know Brian Cody still gets involved with his local club even while being Kilkenny manager. I know in my own county players who could have easily picked up county titles if they transferred to other clubs, stuck with their own local club because of what it meant to them.

    Without the club, the GAA would fall apart because there isn't the market for it to be a professional entity in its own right and without the development clubs put in to players, it would fall apart in my opinion. Or at least become a shadow of what it is.

    Very few players would play more than ten high tempo intercounty games in a season, suggesting that that is what their year amounts to, not to mind those on the fringes who would play much less if they were to only commit to county would not be something that would appeal to most players I expect.

    I'd much rather see central council say that counties can't prevent club players playing outside of a two week window within championship games and that after that it is left to the player to decide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I think they've spread themselves way too thin since OTB AM started.

    Was thinking in particular about this earlier, what do you think has changed with respect to spreading themselves too thin? If I'm not mistaken, OTB AM coincided pretty much with Eoin Sheehan coming on Board and since then, him and Ger are primarily focused on that. A lot of their content does overlap with comments from contributors from that show being played for a minute on the evening show,

    One area I think they could definitely improve is having more consistent spots on sports outside of the major heavy hitters. Motorsport (particularly F1) and definitely cycling are near year round events with a lot of interest in them which I think are deserving of at least weekly sports. the same could be said about tennis, athletics, boxing/UFC, as well. Boxing in particular pretty much disappeared along with Andy Lee. Always think giving spots like that to junior staff would be a way to upskill them and build experience.

    I suppose as I write that and think that Soccer/Rugby/GAA and then Golf/Horseracing dominate all shows then it could be said to be the same content spread across more hours as you suggest. None of the other sports shows/podcasts seem to give any more attention to these lower tier sports on a consistent basis either so maybe the market just isn't there for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Just listened to interview with Joe Quaid, former Limerick Hurler. Joe Molloy was doing the interviewing, thought it was excellent and nearly an hour long. Some very poignant stuff in it from losing his father, the horrific injury he suffered and then seeing his nephew win the All Irelands. The Quaid family has some hurling legacy.

    Couldn't believe it when I saw the time on the video at the end. He was being interviewed because Laochra Gael have done a documentary on him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Jayesdiem


    He’s the guardian and defender of the show on here. If he was the mod, and thank god he isn’t, he’d be banning people for not sharing his opinions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    First true thing you've ever said on this platform, would definitely ban people. Not for not sharing my opinions, I'm hear for discussion but for being incessantly and nauseatingly whiny.

    If that's all you have to offer, stick to Facebook.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,332 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    “There is no market in Ireland for professional GAA” to paraphrase


    seems strange given countries, in Eastern Europe, far poorer than ours has a market for professional ladies basketball, handball and volleyball leagues.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Annoying hearing the same people speak all the time. Wouldn't mind listening to some basketball discussion but not that Kieran Donaghy.

    The man who "gave up his job to focus on training for Kerry"

    I think it was more a thing that Donaghy and a few others were aware of plans by Ulster Bank to pull out of Ireland and jumped ship with a nice severance package! He was in another job a couple months later then.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭kksaints


    There's no market for it in the Gaa's current setup. You'd need to reduce the number of teams in both codes considerably and You'd need to increase the number of intercounty matches also. This would be unacceptable to a large number of GAA supporters and administrators.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    The GAA is all about the club though, and this is kind of the issue with some of the Off the Ball GAA coverage I think, the presenters don't really seem to understand it.

    Inter county is an enjoyable diversion, and it's great seeing your county winning big games, but club level is just more significant for the vast majority of GAA people. People are way more likely to back their clubs fundraising than their county's for example, because they have greater ties there.

    I do feel with the OTB lads, and certain other journalists, they spend so much of their working life focused on intercounty and other elite level sport that they end up with a rather distorted view.

    Club level may not be as sexy as intercounty, but it is more homely and people feel closer to it and passionate about it.


    In my view the GAA has a whole has put too much focus on intercounty for the last 20 years or so, but with the split season the pendulum does seem to be swinging. The clubs got neglected far too long, fixtures were the biggest issue for the GAA while the media were talking about the use of Croke Park and pay for play, but a bit more commonsense seems to be returning.


    Also, intercounty hurling seems to me to be losing its appeal. I still go to games and watch a lot of them on TV, but I do find them far duller now than I once did. The entertainment is often better at club level now, even though the ability levels of the players is obviously not as high.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Jayesdiem


    That’s exactly the issue. Economically, Ireland is a wealthy country and could support it. However, brand new pro teams called “Dublin South”, “Cork”, “Belfast” and “West of Ireland” might well be the order of the day. The Leitrims and Wicklows would be swallowed up in this and the new teams might also have fancy monikers such as “Vikings”, “Raiders”, “Rebels” etc etc. This would be a strange landscape and a hard sell to many GAA people. The demographics of hurling would probably demand entirely different teams based on the geographical spread so you might theoretically have someone being a “Galway” fan in hurling but a “West of Ireland” fan in football simply because of where the economic centre point is in each sport. This would be really difficult to swallow for me at least. Of course you could have the current organic intercounty structure as an amateur feeder to the pro system but then you are readily admitting it is a second rate comp, much like the AIL is in rugby. It’s demographics, not finances , that prevents all of this from happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,332 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Yes you would. There is little appetite for it. The intercounty game in football has been desperate for years. There’s little joy for the vast majority of teams.


    but if people want to be tied to a dead animal because of tradition and county pride that’s on them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,332 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    My point is that there is a market for professional Gaelic football, we just choose, for now, to keep to an intercounty system that has told us all its ever going to tell us.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Obviously people are gonna donate more to their local club, because it's local people in it. The local club is seen as an amenity and facility for the town and it's people.

    No one is downplaying the participation or fondness of locals for their local club.

    Just like people are more likely to donate to their local soccer club over a Premier League club.

    But ask Cillian O'Connor if he'd rather win a club all Ireland or a county all Ireland and I'd know the answer. Same with most players.

    I'd say county jerseys outsell all local club jersey sales by multiples.

    When I was a kid I got a county branded football, not local club branded one etc. It was watching the best players of those days that I enjoyed watching. It wasn't the best players of the local club that I really enjoyed and got into.

    The intercounty is the premium quality, that's what people are really interested in. And that's what the GAA should be maximising and prioritising. Just like non league football is the backbone of English football, the clubs are the same to the inter county. But you won't see non league being put above Premier League in terms of priority.

    Having Sam Maguire and Liam McCarthy decided by the middle of July? That's ridiculous.

    So what if the clubs can't play the inter county players? Has the club game collapsed?

    The reality is that players just can't play for everyone. Club, County and College.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    Lovely piece this morning for Keith Wood's 50th birthday but I'm sure the cesspiters here will find something to complain about.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    The GAA has had a fixtures crisis for at least 20 years, county boards prioritising county teams above their own championships has been the by some distance the biggest issue of the century to date for the GAA. The mad thing is some people wouldn't even know there was a problem.

    Failing to address it has done huge damage, there has been a situation when the best months of the year for hurling were seeing almost no club games played.

    Moving back the All Irelands is the most positive move to a resolution yet. It's not perfect of course, but the GAA have been realistic and know that it's going to be very difficult to get a situation where club and county championships are played at the same time of year. That is the ideal solution and it is possible, Cork were quite good in this regard at one stage, but it'd only work if every county was on board and experience shows that doesn't happen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Or....the clubs just play without the intercounty players. That's the best solution. Realistically, how many games can an intercounty player in college play a year? They deserve a break too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Thought it was very good, and I'd be one with little knowledge of rugby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,020 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    Don't listen to OTB am. Hopefully they repeat it on the evening show



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Can't imagine any but a tiny, tiny minority of players would be okay with sitting out championship with their club. I doubt any clubs would want it either. It could suit the interests of intercounty managers, but the vast majority of them would oppose it as well.

    You could bring the proposal to your club and ask them to bring it to your county's convention though.

    This year is a huge step forward, the GAA had never dealt with the implications of moving away from straight knock out intercounty championships, but finally it is tackling the fixtures issue. It's not perfect, but it's the best that can realistically be done.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    You'll find the Keith Wood piece on YouTube

    Post edited by Billy Ocean on


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Also a really good interview with Jim Goodwin this evening. Very honest assessment of himself as a player and someone who you would really want to get behind as a manager.

    He spoke about wanting to manage Ireland someday. He mentioned the one cap he got but how it would be a dream for him to be in with a chance of managing the team one day. If he keeps going at this rate there are few other Irish managers I’d have ahead of him to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭gluppers




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,174 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Well something has to happen. Clubs need to play more games through the year and some(all) inter county players should be involved in them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,174 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Retired 31. body broken up. but yeah seems kind of mad...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I couldn't believe Joe Quaid was only 49 when I saw the video of him being interviewed earlier in the week.

    With respect to Keith Wood, I've thought over the last couple of years that he actually looks very well for a former rugby player and particularly one who played in the front row.

    He must have continued to stay training since he retired because he still looks pretty trim.



  • Registered Users Posts: 946 ✭✭✭Murdoc90


    Aisling O' Reilly is a fantastic addition to the team. Well able for JD this morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,297 ✭✭✭✭BPKS


    Judging by the first episode, I think James O Donoghue will be a good replacement for Andy Moran on the Football Pod.

    I wonder will they have anybody new for their evening GAA coverage which I think is usually very good.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 FindState


    Horrible accent and speaker, "seen this, done that"

    I cringe so hard listening to her.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 151 ✭✭Mr Burny




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Who's this Arthur guy they have that they seem to ask to give an overview on the reaction on twitter to the show?

    He talks extremely slow and leaves loads of silence.

    They had a nice little circlejerk over the Brady retirement, about how he supports Trump. The Arthur guy was giving a damning verdict on Brady despite clearly never even watching a game of his as he was asking Joe what he was like and who would he compare him to...and then he asks would it be Henry Shefflin to which Joe said no. I think it was the Arthur guy who said "Brady is someone who's admired, but not loved". How the hell would you know and you never watched a game of his? 🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 151 ✭✭Mr Burny


    Standard fare on the show. If a sports person doesn’t support the libtard cuck world view they will try and give them stick on their sporting performances. Novak a case in point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,020 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    'libtard cuck world view', my word. The quality of the discourse on this site has tanked since the changeover.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    What on Earth is a ‘libtard cuck’?

    Is this the latest American import to go with woke and snowflake?



  • Posts: 1,686 [Deleted User]


    I can only guess what a circle jerk is but the irony of its use in this situation as all the threatened lads console eachother over the libtard cuck takeover is amusing. Cue some retort about masturbation.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,020 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    Cue several people going on to ignore lists. At this rate, I'm going to use up those 75 spots in months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭The Davestator


    Happened to catch John Giles for the first time in a good while and my god, what waffle. How he is still on the radio is beyond me. Old fashioned analysis about 'doing your stuff' and a 10-minute rant against Deli Ali.

    He even still calls Jose, 'Hose' despite Jose being in top-level football for 20 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,432 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    "Nation in Shock as 81 year old man has old fashioned views"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I'm going to enjoy when they express any sort of progressive thought even more knowing how it ticks off a certain cohort.

    And the fact that these same lads can't stop listening tells it's own story about what the show has to offer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You might enjoy listening to TalkSport if you want to hear the alternative.

    The 'wildly successful' Gabby Abonglahor complaining about the demands Roy Keane had on the villa squad. Deli Ali was sitting at home as England got to the Euro finals last summer. He should pay attention to what old pros have to say on making yourself undroppable. He is 25 years of age and has gone from playing for England as a teenager to now moving to a team at the wrong end of the table.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭The Davestator



    My point exactly. Shouldn't be on a prime time radio show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,432 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    Is 8pm prime time?


    I like that they have him on. He's one of Irelands greatest ever players and showing him a bit of respect with a weekly slot is no bad thing. If you don't like it, switch off for the half hour. Seems like a very strange thing to have the hump about.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,803 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    "in my day Nathan, a manager wouldn't put up with that old nonsense from another contributer" Gilsey is a national treasure imv👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,332 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    What is the story with the crappy quiz? It’s their best feature but haven’t done it or it hasn’t being uploaded in 2 weeks.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    It's usually Eoin's baby isn't it? He's been in Wales all week so I imagine that's played a part in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,332 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Yeah that was also my deduction but fcuk sake..anyone could do it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Leona Maguire just became the first Irish female golfer to win a LPGA event.

    Just letting people know the show might not be a safe space for some of you tomorrow.

    Fair play to her, massive achievement and unsurprising given the way her career has gone in recent years. $225K is a pretty nice earner for 3 days work.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Lol, no the show tomorrow will be a cesspit for anybody against celebrating women in sport.

    So, naturally, everyone of them will be listening.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Congratulations to Leona Maguire.

    Certainly makes a mockery of that tagline "can't see it, can't be it" !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Doesn't surprise me that you are only focused on looking backwards.

    Her coach sees the benefit, but I'm sure you know more.



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