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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    They may find that their staff won't stick around if they persist with that approach, especially if it's minimum wage.

    Job market at that level is extremely active with the reopening of businesses, and staff attrition/hiring is normally a constant thing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    I asked for evidence as to why excess deaths were a multiple of actual globally.

    No. You didn't.

    I said:

    The number of people alive today who would not have been if not for SARS-CoV-2 will be far outstripped by the number of people dead who would not have been if not for the disgustingly hysterical response.

    You:

    there is absolutely zero evidence for your final statement on deaths due to the response.

    Me:

    What is your take on what the collateral damage from Covid restrictions will be? Or are you of the opinion that it's all rainbows and unicorn farts and there's zero downside?

    You:

    Estimates of global Covid deaths are at about 16million. I am sure you have some evidence multiples of that will be caused by the reaction of governments to the virus?

    This is the first mention of "multiples", introduced by you. As you're asserting that estimates of Covid deaths are over 16 million, while providing one source that admits "some uncertainty, sometimes enormous". This was before anyone was allowed to admit the "with/from" distinction, which was later covered in the media.

    Interesting that you chose the 1700 home deaths and not the quarter million children dead from starvation. It will all shake out in the end, but you're being incredibly disingenuous in your quest for internet points.

    And you've still never said whether you think there's any collateral damage at all from covid restrictions.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    That might apply in a place with younger staff, but not here, and I'm "settled"... Masks aside it's an OK place to work, and it's close to home.

    Time will tell if they loosen up I suppose.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Ah the same old arguments trotted out again.

    So let's go over that again. Just because some people chose to ignore common sense - it doesn't follow everyone else has to accommodate them by throwing public health advice into the bin.

    We know Face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as vaccination, frequent hand-washing and physical distancing, can help reduce the risk of infection.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

    Unfortunately there will always be some who won't wear a mask where required or will wear their mask inappropriately. Others won't wash their hands and there will be those who ignore social distancing. Does that mean these preventative measures don't work? The simple answer is no. These measures do work and thankfully those who don't acknowledge that, don't get to dictate public health advice.

    Post edited by Mecanudo on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭323


    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,436 ✭✭✭VG31


    When I was in London last October, masks were still "mandatory" on public transport in London but only around 50% of people were wearing masks. Even in Heathrow where masks are mandatory about 20% of staff were not wearing them.

    I can't see shops enforcing their recommendations if even an airport does not.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,648 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Those discriminatory driving licenses and passports being required to travel between countries must really get to you as well then.



  • Registered Users Posts: 725 ✭✭✭foxsake


    tesco not a retail and a massively huge one at that

    Tesco loves masks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask



    One of the biggest mistakes with masks and even vaccines was "to protect others"

    Such a load of crap, vaccines are to protect YOU ...

    Masks are to protect YOU...



  • Registered Users Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    You must be in a blind rage that this is starting to come to an end yeah ?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭NedsNotDead


    Sadly I suspect in some people's mind Covid will never end



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I love the pivot from “everyone should have the right to choose” to “look at all the stupid people wearing masks” when it’s all that’s left for ye to rant about



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,539 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn




  • Registered Users Posts: 16,648 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Nop, been going about as normal since everything opened up last year, happy to see normality resume.

    You still obsessing about countries having mask mandates?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Ahh it wouldn’t be discrimination, any business has a right to refuse service as they see fit! (With the exception of medical, sexual, racial grounds etc)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    One of us is spending our days trawling months old posts to find snippets from lengthy conversations to paint a less than accurate picture of what was said….

    And to answer your question, which has been answered loads of times already, of course there are negative consequences to any action. You and your ilk have being continually arguing that there are only negative consequences to the actions taken without any positives whatsoever. The main one being the fact that the shitshow in terms of direct illness and death and the total wipeout of any semblance of healthcare that would have resulted in April 2020 or January 21 without action was averted. Imagine if 20% of the population had caught it between Dec 1st 2020 and Jan 31st 2021 like have in the past two months. Vaccines and omicron have brought us to the end though.

    So long chaps. I’m off for a couple of pints



  • Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭ShadowTech


    Everyone absolutely should have the right to choose, even if what they do seems silly or stupid to me. Someone saying “your choice is stupid” isn’t the same thing as saying “you should not have a choice”.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Newstalk talking about a survey they've run about life post restrictions/Covid and saying 70% are supportive of the recent removal of most restrictions.

    However on other questions like if they'll do away with wearing masks, return to shaking hands or hugging, or handle cash, the results are closer with the answers ranging between 30-50% saying they'll be hesitant.

    As I've said for a long time now, the mental health impact of 2 years of constant coverage and analysis, scaremongering, multiple covid ads per hour, multiple notifications per day from news apps with case/death numbers, and all the rest has been huge and will take a LONG time to recover from in this country.

    It's clear too that there will be long lasting social consequences with a significant minority still nervous about returning to perfectly normal and harmless activities. It's almost as if these people have forgotten that almost everyone has been vaccinated multiple times and the latest variant is little more than a cold for almost all who get it.

    Add in the other problems that haven't gone away - housing, rising costs of living, the continuing complete inadequacy of the health service, and all the rest - and there are going to be a lot of people who'll struggle hugely under the mental pressure that these things bring too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Doesn't look like we're back to normal really

    Creches having major issues with staff , Children still in pods ? What's that about



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Also a country with slave labour - the ‘guest’ workers, whose passports are taken until they work off the debt for their passage and lodgings. An ideal place to discuss mental health, not your typical junket to the sun. And minister Donnelly is there too, it’s a joke what we put up with from these people. Who is there to vote for that won’t scam the country?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,464 ✭✭✭MOH




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Well this is it , we haven't started to count the cost

    This crazy school situation , I think we need to be getting some clarity on this from the top



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    I have a lot of respect for teachers and I'd say they're sick of it

    Windows open and masks this is not back to normal by any means

    People are freely mixing in pubs unmasked ,then we have kids masked and staff isolating, doesn't make sense to my admittedly uneducated eye



  • Registered Users Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    My 81 year old father went into a barber shop yesterday and was fumbling to get his mask out of his pocket when one of the hairdressers shouted at him to put his mask on. He snapped back for her to calm down cop on as he was getting his mask out- she said ‘just because you have one foot in the grave doesn’t mean we all do’.

    He told her she might have 2 feet in the grave but doesn’t know it yet and walked out. He went back later to report her to the boss.

    What an absolute c¥nt!

    Some people are drunk on the little power they have - remember when restrictions were to protect the elderly, now it seems there are 30 somethings that feel their lives are at risk from them.

    Interview on the radio yesterday- secondary school kid complaining about people able to go to pubs, restaurants and night clubs without mask while they wear them all day in school.

    Very fair point until it transpired that she didn’t want them removed from schools…..she wanted them reimposed on hospitality to make it fairer and ‘safe’!

    Gonna take awhile to undo some of this level of psychosis and damage.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Well it's very much a personal path out of it for people and a lot to process. That's not going to happen in two weeks and may take an awful lot longer for some. In the meantime leave them to their issues as they readjust.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    Agree. But it does put them in a position where they are amenable to lockdown...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    Basically pro lockdown as they'd rather lockdown than return to office.

    Put it this way, they're not builders working on apartment blocks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos



    An article on ITs that FBD are to may out millions ref business interruptions due to restrictions.. I am trying to make sense of this, if anyone can explain.. So insurance has to pay when pubs were being subsidized? Will this not increase insurance costs for all business now and crippling the smaller businesses..?

    I dont see how FBD have to pay millions? 🤔

    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    All the yellow stickers on the floor are gone in local Tesco! Probably the same everywhere.



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