What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Demand drives up house prices and immigration is a factor . This makes it harder to afford to buy simple as .

You know so many police of different nationalities.I take that with a grain of salt !!

Your posts are a joke making claims and just expect people to take your word for them . I would agree a number do but not most and not most paying tax . !! They will likely go on welfare and some will continue working for cash when they get status .

Yes I am angry when spout absolute shyte to try and pedal their beliefs.

I will continously call you out on the cr**.

The latest here being that immigrants have no effect on our accommodation and property markets.

You also demand facts and figures from others, but are quite happy to give anecdotal evidence from the long long list of people you know.

And then you sidestep inconvenient questions or facts and of course concentrate on small points i.e. deflection 101.

And no I am not unhappy that foreigners I know have bought property in Ireland because they are all working, paying taxes and doing their best to integrate into our society.

Note all of these are working not sponging off the taxpayers and expecting a property handed to them.

Thank you I try and be concise where possible.

Surely there has to be a housing list of some sort so that those most eligible are highlighted ????

There are always lists.

And if an applicant's needs change then surely they would be promoted or demoted on a list of people in line for housing ???

And if someone suddenly turns up with kids then they must get promoted ahead of someone else?

Now when the likes of Pamela Izevbekhai turned up with her two kids did she not move ahead of someone else in terms of preference to housing ?

In other words someone else was deemed less eligible and thus dropped in the order of preference.

Remind us how the positive effects of immigration helps someone who now can't find somewhere to rent on their budget never mind buy ???

I can't believe we are having to debate this with adults.

It is a bit like how some think that there is a bottomless money pit so that extra money spent in one area has absolutely no effect on spending elsewhere.

You miss the point entirely. We can’t do anything with Irish people living here who require help from the state for housing and other benefits. We can’t ship them off to another country and unless we get rid of the welfare state we will continue to support them via taxation.

Now as we all know as an Irish person if we choose to immigrate to certain countries we have to prove we can support ourselves. Which is fair enough and is as it should be.

We can see from immigration in places like UK, France etc that if the immigrants are unable to support themselves they and their children often end up in poverty with all the negative consequences associated with it. Now look what happens in UK or any other developed nation when they get immigrants who have the skillset to support themselves. They and their children tend not to end up in poverty. Which is a good thing and your not concerned about things like ghettoisation and they are contributing to the country like their coworkers, friends and neighbours.

An increase in net immigration does mean more demand for housing, healthcare, schools etc. At end of the day certain immigrants cost taxpayer far more then others. A country can do something about this aka restrict immigration to those who can support themselves.

This of course has been explained in this thread multiple times by posters far more knowledgeable then myself.

I can't believe we are having to debate this with adults.

It is a bit like how some think that there is a bottomless money pit so that extra money spent in one area has absolutely no effect on spending elsewhere.

It can’t possibly be so surprising to you that people don’t share your opinions. Nobody imagines there’s a bottomless pit of money any more than I thought most people are aware that the housing waiting lists on any city or county council are not prioritised in the way some people think, but here we are!

I can kinda understand it because 20 odd years ago when I was homeless myself, I’d no idea about all this stuff either or supports that were available, I just didn’t know about them because I’d never been homeless - I had no need to know, so I can understand why people have difficulty wrapping their heads around a concept that’s so foreign to them.

If someone’s circumstances change, then their details are updated obviously, and suitable accommodation might become available, depends upon what’s actually available, like the €700k apartments that DCC has on their books, 19 of ‘em, and they’re not all occupied by tenants with families, or children or what have you, while a woman with children, one of whom has a disability, is still being housed in emergency accommodation. It happens, up and down the country, and there are numerous contributing factors.

Immigration, IS a contributing factor, but, and here’s the point anyone really, really needs to grasp - the negative effects of immigration on the property and rental markets, are cancelled out by the positive effects of immigration on the property and rental market. They’re not the same market - property is the purchase of goods, rental is the purchase of services. Immigration overall, has a net negligible impact on either market.

What has a greater impact on the property and rental markets are for a start - developers paying the cost of social housing developments so they don’t have to make 20% of any development available for social housing, mortgage defaulters, ghettoisation and gentrification.

Similar effects such as ghettoisation and gentrification are observed in the rental market, and there are all sorts of regulations and conditions which have a greater impact on the rental market than either the presence or absence of immigrants, whether they’re a sole tenant in the property, or there’s as many as ten of them packed into a two bedroom apartment the size of a shoebox paying eye watering rents in DCC or some backwater in Roscommon under the management of one of the many housing bodies on behalf of the council or a private rental from an unprofessional landlord.

What housing issues are you hoping to address? I’ve already pointed out that there are numerous unfinished ghost estates dotted up and down the country. Nobody who has lived in an urban environment all their lives wants to live rural where the infrastructure is underdeveloped. Decentralisation of Government departments was tried a few years back and it was a complete failure. Huge amounts of money were spent, for something which came to nothing.

The kind of figures people are complaining about of the kind of money being spent on housing immigrants is like saying 10c is far too much money to be spending on anything, and ignoring the fact that €10 is wasted annually on frivolous vanity projects. Obviously that figure is billions, but I’m just using relatable figures for the sake of making the point.

You can be absolutely guaranteed costs and benefits have been weighed up, not quite to the last cent (Govt depts can’t even keep track of petty cash, apparently 😏), but certainly they would weigh up the costs and benefits in terms of getting value for the taxpayer.

It might not look like it, hell it never looks like it, but that’s precisely because we don’t have all the details to hand. Me personally, I don’t tend to lose any sleep over it. Housing supply and all that stuff is a far more complex issue than pointing fingers at any particular group in Irish society and looking to hold them accountable for things they aren’t and couldn’t possibly be responsible for.

I doubt there are all that many people who rely on traditional media either to inform their opinions about anything tbh, it’s one thing I actually can’t blame the media for, because they’re only giving people what people are interested in consuming, in order to generate revenue for themselves - they’re a business, not a charity.

I just dont understand why you are defending cultures that quite frankly hate the LGBT community.....

You’re quite clearly only pretending you don’t understand the false dilemma you’re creating. There’s nobody is defending cultures that quite frankly hate the LGBT community, because nobody agrees with the way you’re choosing to frame immigrants views on the basis of their membership of a religious community.

Do you honestly imagine that there isn’t a large crossover between Muslims who are gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender? In a population of 2Bn people? I’d suggest you can’t possibly be so dense that you actually believe that.

there's a lot of people these days who assume other peoples causes, and are "active" in their name.

Indeed, like the number of people who assume a cause like the hardworking taxpayer, or the Irish people, and are “active” in their name.

They said immigration SHOULD be part of the discussion about housing. I agree, it should be, but what’s being done here is the reverse - housing is being made part of the discussion about immigration, where it just doesn’t belong, precisely because immigration has no real impact one way or the other on housing - house prices going up or down affects everyone, not just those looking to buy or sell property or rent accommodation whether they’re a landlord or a tenant.

It’s just a ridiculous “immigrants push house prices up”, vague claim with nothing behind it, completely removed from reality as if it’s yet another reason why the Irish economy (not just Irish people), why the Irish economy doesn’t need immigration, to grow. In reality, the Irish economic model absolutely does need immigration, and badly.

One of the problems with the Irish economic model is it doesn’t encourage immigrants to actually stay here long-term and put down roots, because they’re as susceptible to economic market forces as everyone else.

Sweet suffering Jesus, Mary and Joseph! 😖

Read the first sentence of your own post again, and then read it again, and again!

Ive already posted academic evidence that shows house prices go up 1.4% for each 1% increase in population....

Where in that sentence does it suggest anything about immigration?

And where have I ever suggested that it is by mass immigration that I even think the population would grow, or that I think the population could grow just by mass immigration? And that’s even before there could be any discussion about the impact of immigration on the Irish economy.

With your logic you could just as well blame emigrants for leaving Ireland, as the cause of the Irish economy being flushed down the shìtter because it’s unable to sustain itself.

And that’s before we even discussed the effects of immigration in Europe.

And for the love of God you can stop pretending you actually care about the welfare of Irish people when it’s plain as day you’re only using it as an attempt to stir up anti-immigration sentiment. You mentioned earlier in the thread that you can’t talk about it and all the rest of it, and the media aren’t telling the Irish people whatever.

If you actually believe your position is that strong, and you actually genuinely care as much as you claim you do about the future of Irish people, then it stands to reason that in order to counter this political elites, media narrative you claim is suppressing popular opinion, is there something preventing you from running for political office representing what you believe is in the interests of the Irish people? According to your own beliefs you’d have no issues gaining majority, even popular support, for your ideas, unless you actually do know that it’s BS and you wouldn’t have a hope of being elected. Tell me again though how you think immigrants are going to take over Europe, or even Ireland, when they can’t even qualify for political representation 😒

Maybe they have a master plan that if they can’t kill us all off with decent food, they’ll starve us to death waiting for it to be delivered 🙄

Thats it in a nutshell, only far right or far left people would disagree with this. TBH Europe is what will put a stop to it eventually and we will have to follow on, we will have our share of bogus asylum seekers after setting up a life of a welfare but we should be spared any major negative impacts from mass immigration as Europe are realizing how failed it is and we will have to follow their guidelines line in future.