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    #3542
    patnor1011
    Registered Users Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544188#Comment_118544188

    That is not what I said. Stop putting up your own constructions and deductions as something I said. It is dishonest tactic you anti-conspiracy truthers engage in constantly.



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    #3543
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544324#Comment_118544324

    Isn't it cute when they pretend to be on the same side to show up how mean they are, yet neither will ever actually comment on either others claims, lies and behaviour?


    I'm also curious what this "obession" is and where it comes from.

    Sounds like it's a conspiracy that he doesn't want to explain cause if he's truthful about it, it will expose how unreasonable and silly his beliefs are.



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    #3544
    patnor1011
    Registered Users Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544255#Comment_118544255

    Lol.

    Not killed by covid. But you know that yourself.



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    #3545
    hometruths
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 5,984 ✭✭✭hometruths


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544318#Comment_118544318

    And will there ever be, will that field ever be filled in? Why are you highlighting it?

    You really think I highlighted that specific field because I thought it was highly significant?!!! 😂 It's highlighted because I read the report yesterday, and this morning when I wanted to find the table showing insufficient data against Omicron I searched the whole document for 'insufficient' - oddly enough that particular field is highlighted because it is the first instance of 'insufficient' in the table. Cannot believe this needs to be explained!

    Now, why do the other fields have insufficient data? (and why are the authors including fields they don't have data for? That's weird right, like we have insufficient data for COVID infection at the 30 month mark, why would they have it there, you've fully read the paper so can explain of course).

    Where are you getting 30 months from? Is this the Fighting Tao calendar with no idea about what happened when?



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    #3546
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544376#Comment_118544376

    Ah right. SO you are claiming all of those deaths are being lied about.

    Cool.

    That's a ridiculous thing to claim. And it's a lie that's been exposed to you many many times. You've run from all of those points each and every time.


    5.6 million people have been killed by covid. Covid exists and is a real thing as are variants. It is not a conspiracy theory.


    So are you going to back up your lie that the vaccine safety is "debatable"? Or gonna run from that too?


    Also @schmittel can we assume you share the belief given how you and pat here are all buddy buddy and you won't actually comment on it?



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    #3547
    hometruths
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 5,984 ✭✭✭hometruths


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544324#Comment_118544324

    Yes



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    #3548
    patnor1011
    Registered Users Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544265#Comment_118544265

    You never fail to entertain.

    Answer to both of your question is: What are you talking about?

    All of these crazy deductions came from your own head and they are not something I said. Your deductions and presuming of what people think or said is ridiculous.



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    #3549
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,097 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544352#Comment_118544352

    What do you mean then?

    If you think that people are consistently misunderstanding what you mean, then maybe you are not doing a very good job at explaining your points.



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    #3550
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544410#Comment_118544410

    Lol. And weaseling away from the question as always.


    You claimed that the dangers from covid and from the vaccine are comparable.

    You can't actually show this as it's another lie on your part.

    If this isn't what you are claiming, you could explain what you mean and what your position is, but you won't do this either as you are incapable of being honest about your own beliefs.

    Because your beliefs aren't true and are the result of you swallowing bullshit and repeating it without thinking.



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    #3551
    patnor1011
    Registered Users Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544399#Comment_118544399

    Lol you are a gas. It would be funny but it is mostly pathetic.

    Your modus operandi time and again is to say that "so you think , claim this and that" despite that person never said anything like. Then throw some random question mostly your favorite one "why are you doing this?", answer it yourself, and add some more of creepy stuff from your own head.

    Thank you for relentlessly keeping this thread on top page of boards.

    Also you forgot to thank each other every post as you usually do. Just a friendly reminder.



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    #3552
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544471#Comment_118544471

    And weaseled away again.

    Dude, you and your buddies have been caught out in lie after lie.

    I have to ask you to explain your beliefs because they are often vague, contradictory with themselves, evidence and reality and sometimes so ridiculous that I need to confirm that a grown adult actually believes this.

    For example your claims that the vaccines aren't really vaccines and your now recent claim that 5.6 million people didn't die due to covid.


    Do you honestly think you and your fellow anti vaxx conspiracy theorists are looking good on this thread?

    This thread and the other covid threads have shown that you guys are utterly dishonest and completely ignorant.



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    #3553
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,097 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    What do you think then?

    Rather than complaining about being misunderstood, try to explain what you are claiming more clearly so that you don't get upset when we have to fill in the gaps to try and figure out what you are on about.



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    #3554
    patnor1011
    Registered Users Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544425#Comment_118544425

    My points cant be explained to, and will never be accepted by bigots.

    You see for most of you things are either white or black with absolutely nothing in between.

    Bigot will never accept that there may be other explanation or facts it is either his way or highway. Most frequent posters on this thread or conspiracy forum itself are pretty much example of this.

    And constant sneering and name calling with outright insults are a dead giveaway of their mental inability of having any debate whatsoever. Nevermind, they keep it all alive and in front of everyone to see.



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    #3555
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544511#Comment_118544511

    Yup. And they see that the majority of name calling actually comes from you guys.

    Any comment on the piles of accusations against people for being "shills" or more recently "numpties"?


    People will also see that you guys constantly lie and misinterpret things. They will see that the majority of your claims come copy pasted from grifters on youtube or twitter. They will see that you guys freak out and throw tanturms anytime anyone points out the giant gaping flaws in your claims.


    They will also see that you guys constantly ignore and evade simple questions and then totally change your claims mid debate when it suits.

    Again, for example you lying and saying that vaccines weren't vaccines, then lying again and saying that you never said that. Then flipping out and ignoring the question asking you to clarify your position.

    Is that what you call "debate?"



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    #3556
    patnor1011
    Registered Users Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544436#Comment_118544436

    Another complete fabrication from your own head.

    As I said, your modus operandi. Twist a little, change a word here and there and present complete fabrication and lie as something someone else said. I am not the first one who cop on to this. You are being called up on this constantly by pretty much everyone you try to engage with.



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    #3557
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544543#Comment_118544543

    Ok. Cool. If you say so man.


    So are vaccines vaccines or not?

    Simple question. Watch how you do everything but give a direct answer.



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    #3558
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,681 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544394#Comment_118544394

    Why do the other fields say insufficient data, why do you think they included them. We know that the vaccines are highly effective for at least 0-3 months after dose 3 and remain effective after 6 months from dose 2, are you completely backed down from vaccines not working and are solely concerned with longevity? (and again, highlighting that there are 0 safety issues here, so you can very safely get your second shot, maybe they'll have sufficient data then ;)



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    #3559
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,610 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    the last 2 days of posting here have NOTHING to do with vaccine safety


    have people not read the thread title?

    is there some conspiracy about vaccine efficacy that they are trying to argue here??



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    #3560
    patnor1011
    Registered Users Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544542#Comment_118544542

    Sigh.

    I already explained it to you several times but somehow it failed to register in that brain of yours. Vaccine definition was changed since this claim you seems to cling on for some reason. It was different then and it is different now. Besides it was completely different thread and discussion long time ago.

    You also never acknowledged you were wrong few months ago claiming vaccines grants you immunity. You dismiss this fallacy by saying it was out of context when everyone who start reading this thread will see it is a lie.


    This is the problem with bigots, they are incapable of accepting they may be or that they were wrong. Never. That is what you do.



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    #3561
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,097 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544511#Comment_118544511

    But again, rather than explaining the point you were trying to make and are accusing us of having misunderstood, you have instead gone off on a rant and name calling session again.

    You made a post with some point that you think has been misunderstood. But all you have done since then is moan about being misunderstood.



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    #3562
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 18,003 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544410#Comment_118544410

    You've made many strange and bizarre claims here, so if the vaccines aren't dangerous, what's the issue?



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    #3563
    Black Noel
    Registered Users Posts: 220 ✭✭Black Noel



    Sweden decides against recommending COVID vaccines for kids aged 5-12


    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-decides-against-recommending-covid-vaccines-kids-aged-5-12-2022-01-27/



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    #3564
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544608#Comment_118544608

    And as predicted, you didn't answer the question.

    According to the definition you believe is accurate, are the vaccines vaccines?


    Lol. And I love that you're whinging about being misrepresented, yet then misrepresenting me in the exact way you are accusing others of.

    Perfect demonstration.


    The vaccines do grant you immunity.

    What you and your pals are doing is conflating that with the idea that "granting immunity" means making you 100% impervious to infection.

    That's not what I mean, and this is made clear in the post you are misrepresenting:

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117054672/#Comment_117054672



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    #3565
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,610 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544644#Comment_118544644

    link dumping???


    have you an opinion on that article?



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    #3566
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544394#Comment_118544394


    Good man slagging sight issues. You deserve a medal for being an internet hard man.

    So you have finally conceded that your claim was a load of shite and a pack of lies. Thank you. Pity you persisted with it last night like an eejit.



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    #3567
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 18,003 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544403#Comment_118544403

    Again, you're in this strange position of contradicting national vaccination programs all around the world, do you believe you know something they all don't know?



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    #3568
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,097 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544150#Comment_118544150

    Just a reminder of your post. What exactly do you mean?

    Are vaccines effective for only certain groups of people? Are they dangerous for certain groups of people?



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    #3569
    Black Noel
    Registered Users Posts: 220 ✭✭Black Noel


    "Based on passive surveillance reporting in the US, the risk of myocarditis after receiving mRNA-based #CovidVaccines was increased across multiple age & sex strata & was highest after the 2nd vaccination dose in adolescent males & young men."

    https://t.co/8hH1H2hFGv https://t.co/BeT60ou3gA



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    #3570
    Black Noel
    Registered Users Posts: 220 ✭✭Black Noel


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544653#Comment_118544653

    Yep, I agree with Sweden 👍



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    #3571
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544637#Comment_118544637

    I'm still a bit perplexed about what the original issue pat had. He started the thread with a post about the vaccines from Russia or China that didn't really have anything to do with safety.

    And as per usual, he dodged and whinged about people asking him to clarify.


    It kinda looks like this thread is now just a dumping ground for people to link dump misinformation and propaganda from twitter cause that stuff is rightly disallowed from the adult covid threads.

    Pat, like the others are just throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks regardless of topic, coherency or truthfulness. As long as it's something that says "vaccines = bad" it gets posted.



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