What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Except, that it's a reasonable argument, since the concept of a brain drain is recognised... but also those who tend to stay behind in countries are often the most traditional and conservative, who have the most to lose if a country changes.

Logic seems to be your enemy Bubbly.

Pretty sure no one is being forced into any planes to come live here.

You never said, what took you to live here?

What are you talking about? We don't put people on flights to this country. They decide if they want to come. That poster has no interest in whether any other countries have 'brain drain'

I'm not really surprised that you claim that it's the first time you've heard of it... even though there are hundreds (if not thousands) of articles/opinion pieces regarding the brain drain in Africa regarding immigration to Western nations of Africans. Google is your friend.. perhaps try brain drain from Africa to western nations. You'll get plenty of reference material and statistics.

Oh damn, I suppose I shouldn't point out your exaggeration of the comments on the thread, or the post of mine that you quoted, in order to make the claim made in bold above. Nah.. I've attempted to rein in your desire to exaggerate before, and it's lead nowhere except in circular motions ultimately leading to exasperation since you do enjoy attributing comments to others which they haven't made... all the while claiming that it's perfectly reasonable to read between the lines (as opposed to dealing with what people have actually written)

Oh, and before you get your nickers in a twist, I have never called immigrants savages, nor suggested that they were incapable of adjusting to living/working in a first world nation. I have said the cost to first world nations were too high over extended periods... but that's a reasonable point to make. If you consider it to be unreasonable to state that, perhaps consider whether you, yourself, are being unreasonable?

You quoted me, and decided to post crap that doesn't relate to what I posted... The gas thing is that you didn't even counter what I said. You just skipped sideways.

It's offered as a reasonable argument because governments around the world have recognised the problems that such as situation has for the development of their own economies. Now, you're simply ignoring the realities that less prosperous nations face in retaining skilled/educated workforces, who could earn so much more in other nations.

You're deflecting. Not surprised in the slightest, btw. I had you on ignore for weeks now, and I kinda hoped that when I took you off it, you would have returned to (as you used to offer) offering honest and accurate discussion, but nope. Still more of the same crap that made me ignore you in the first place.

Being against mass immigration doesn't have to mean that someone is against the traditional manner of immigration, with the particular focus on skilled labor meeting a demand.

I wouldn't be against immigration, since I've lived extensively abroad as an expat. I see it as a boon to a nation to have an exchange of peoples of varying backgrounds, and acts as a stimulus within an economy. However, I don't support mass immigration, because invariably it encourages too much in the way of allowing people in who are not self-sufficient. The costs are generally too high over extended periods. I have a similar problem with multiculturalism. I'm not against it, entirely, just this open policy that ignores the wide range of possible negatives, instead focusing on vague feel-good notions.

Both immigration and multiculturalism need to be managed with the best interests of the native population at heart.

However, there are going to be people who are against mass immigration, or immigration in general, because they haven't really thought the whole thing through, instead, embracing extremes to justify their positions. Little different from the pro-multiculturalism crowd that is present on the thread, just holding opposite positions.

I disagree. It's never too late to reverse policies and adopt new policies that manage/control the situation more effectively. There are plenty of examples throughout history where society has forced governance to take an entirely different approach to certain things. This is no different. And yes, I'd choose mass immigration over no immigration, because with mass immigration, you can still choose to control how it is managed, encouraging those from cultures which compliment our own (based on past results), while discouraging or limiting immigration from those cultures that don't. So, for example, encouraging immigration from SE Asia, such as China or Japan, while downplaying that from the M.East. It's still mass immigration... just controlled.

As for ruining what we are... nah... I don't see it. Ireland has changed nearly each time that I've lived abroad, and returned. Not simply perspectives on issues like homosexuality, but also the sense of entitlement that has become quite common. All societies change over time. I watched China, which is likely one of the cultures most resistant to external influence, change before my eyes, over the course of a decade, all the while the government, and older generations worked to maintain the traditional viewpoints. They failed. Even with centuries of social conditioning, they failed. Just as holding on to past behavioral norms in Ireland will fail... regardless of immigration. Irish people are far too hooked into telecommunications, and the media to remain as they once were... just as American culture, and American perspectives on a wide range of issues have been adopted here.

UK so off-topic but where UK leads Ireland follows:

This is disturbing. It reminds me of HAPHAPHAP at a very young age being indoctrinated in my Catholic School with the concept of "Original Sin". Of all the things taught to me this was the one which left me most convinced that Religion is a Cult. You are a sinner from head to toe now becomes you are a racist from head to toe. Repent!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/29/children-aged-seven-taught-not-racially-innocent/

Children as young as seven are to be told they are not "racially innocent" because they view "white at the top of the hierarchy" as part of diversity training for teachers.

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