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Bikes on donedeal, ebay, adverts etc..

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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,786 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    FB bike sales page I moderate is still full of people who misspell breaks for brakes, and use such language as "needs nothing" and/or "won't be faulted".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Mjolnir


    I bet ya first to see will buy,

    And they still can't figure out why no viewers yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭D3V!L




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    Hi Skill, I’ve actually been looking at maxi scoots but they aren’t that thick on the ground. I’ve seen a few but they hold their value in excess of what a FJR tends to make. I suppose there is a lot more fjrs than burgmans on the ground and their price reflects their popularity

    The other part of the puzzle is that my commute is on poor enough country roads and the small wheels don’t like them as much as larger diameter wheels



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Mjolnir


    Could be a well priced beautiful bike, the owners inability to spell basic words would still put me off.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭SamStonesArm


    Seen an ad earlier on one of the Facebook selling pages. The chap is selling his "mother bike".



  • Registered Users Posts: 36 abmoto


    I have been seeing a few "Won't be faulted" ads. I thought it was some specific way of posting an ad here in Ireland. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    Sellers are like sheep, "Not pushed on selling", "Just testing the waters", "Won't be faulted", " Mint"

    Most of these are red flags to me.

    That said you can get sellers that are genuine but clueless and don't know how to sell a bike so just copy what others have written.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,786 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    It's not only that - it seems that bikers (in general) have quite poor spelling, punctuation, and grammar.

    Do motorbikes appeal to the less educated I wonder?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    Yes but they have bigger c0cks to compensate



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    Ffs



  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mid-IBT at the moment. Just done the 1st bit (classroom) and doing the bike bit next weekend. Never even physically touched a bike before.


    Does anyone have a comment to share on this, as a first bike? Looking to get A2 and use progression module at a later date for A.


    https://www.donedeal.ie/motorbikes-for-sale/suzuki-bandit-gsf650-2005/30143999?campaign=8



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,845 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    My only comment would be, If you qualify for A then go for A.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    Try and get something that doesn't have too much plastic.

    Fairings look shabby quickly if not looked after and as a newb you will likely do some damage to them easy enough.

    Fair enough if you like the look but a naked with a flyscreen and some crash bungs would be a lot easier to look after than a 1/4 fairing. IMHO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭geotrig


    my advise is do the ibt 1st and get try and get a feel for the bikes before rushing to buy anything (as you'll likely be on 1- 2 different bikes smaller then bigger ) and then go from there ,having never touched a bike it can be an eye opener !



  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't know enough about the whole power output thing. My only knowledge really is that 125cc is what i want to stay above to avoid being stuck with 125 or less.


    Unfortunately, on Donedeal, etc. all that ever gets listed is CC, making it more difficult to make a decision.



  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm obviously hoping not to drop it, but other than it looking a bit rough (which I don't mind; first bike and all) is there an issue with the plastic being damaged? can you just take it off if it gets damaged?


    It can be confusing cos I see some bikes that have "Learner Legal" in the description and i don't know what that means. My presumption is that the bike has been fiddled with, but the logbook or such states it's less powerful than it really is.. but I could be way off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    There someone in Antrim selling 19 cb500x's on done deal for around 2k sterling each.

    I have no clue what bikes fall into which category license but they would make a a decent starter bike.





  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭Debub




  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I like that. Looks well and VRT seems reasonable at under €500. Makes it just shy of €3k all-in I believe.


    In the unlikely event I happen to buy one of these, anyone on here fancy a spin up? I'd be happy to give you a lift up to yer man, and you could ride it back? (I can't ride a bike yet, legally or capability-wise). Obviously there'd be a couple of euro in it (just tell me what you'd want).


    I'm in Drogheda, so it's an hour to him, so it'd be at least 1hr each way and, for argument sake, an hour there looking. I'll supply a McDonalds on the way up. :-P



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,408 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Nobody intends to drop it but it still happens most of us at some stage. I went down 3 or 4 times in my early days on bikes. Had an old NSR125. The fairings were junk after a year.



  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ah, no, I know I'll drop it and end up putting it in a ditch at some point. From my thorough, scientific research (that is; skimming Youtube) it seems a common issue is people coming into bends too fast and panic-braking, and ultimately ending up going off the road. I'm sure stupid things like that will happen me, but at the same time, I'm a fairly cautious person.


    I wouldn't have that "I'm invincible" attitude at all.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,408 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Or hitting a pothole/bad road surface at speed or car pulling out coz he didn't see you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,607 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭omerin


    Think so too, AFAIK the bike would need to be insured by the owner, they'd need to give the 3rd party permission to use it and they would need to have their own insurance also. A minefield. Better off getting someone who knows how to assess the bike and transport it back to you in a van, maybe someone on donedeal.



  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hadn't considered insurance. Figured there might be a "driving other cars" kinda thing with bikes.


    So my new plan is to just rent a van off enterprise and get it myself. Only thing I'll struggle with is getting it into the van (getting it out will be handy due to the layout/slope of my shed).


    So last question (until I ask another one haha), if i buy one if those, it'll be on NI/UK plates. I'll have to VRT it. Can anyone tell me what paperwork I have to receive with it?


    Gonna have a look on Monday and if I feel comfy sitting on it (and can reach the ground) and it doesn't look totally knackered, I'll leave a deposit and call back with a van later in the week.


    And thus will begin my new hobby. 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭goblin59


    same as with cars, for someone like myself to ride it for you, it would need to be insured. So if theyre still insured by the current owner then not an issue.

    otherwise they'd need to be insured under your own name. You can explain the situation to an insurance company as they will insure the bike before your IBT is completed on the basis that you won't ride it until you have a completed IBT, but i've rarely heard of this happening.


    I'm sure the seller would help you load it into a van, but a ramp and straps would be needed ideally.


    when you buy the bike you need to keep the V5C, and make sure the seller doesn't send this off to the DVLA, the RSA require the V5C as part of the VRT. It use to be that the original UK owner fills in the new owners slip and sends the V5C back to the DVLA who then communicate with the RSA but this hasn't been the case for years now. When a non UK owner is written down on the V5C they just don't send out a new document and it messes up the process.


    So you'll need a V5C and a receipt of purchase stating the amount you paid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,607 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    Get the seller to load it into the van and tie it down. They will be expert at it. You will need ratchet straps, foam etc. They should be able to supply these, but arrange this in advance.

    How are you going to pick one from a choice of 18? 😀 You will need a plan.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cheers for the detailed replies, folks.


    I'm still interested in picking one up, but i messaged yer man and he said he's down to 5 left, so I'm not sure if I'm picking from scraps or not. But I still might just take a nosey out and not rent the van. If I like one, give him a deposit and then come back later in the week and take it away.


    I don't think he'd be supplying foam or such. Seems like someone who just happened upon a good deal on a few bikes rather than someone who is doing it for a living (though I could be totally wrong).



    So I need the V5 and a copy of the receipt. Then I assume the VRT will be charged, as calculated [url=https://www.vrt.ie/faq/vrt-rates-motorcycles/]here[/url] meaning, all the newer bikes are likely gone, so I'll end up with a 2016, and likely pay, give or take, €350. So to get the bike (£1,950 = €2,350) I'll be looking at €2,700 + say €100 to rent the van for a day + €100 for tax, meaning without insurance, I'm looking at just shy of 3k.


    Seems alright. From watching Youtube, a few people seem to like these as a starter bike.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,408 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    They are a decent starter bike alright. Were always a popular courier bike aswell which says a lot about their reliability and cost of running



  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I can't edit my own post it seems, but it turns out he's a car dealer, actually. Not some random chancer as i first thought (well.. i mean he still could be, but he does seem to have a business!).

    Pawwed, seen as he has 19 'high mileage, regularly serviced' bikes, I'd assume these were all courier bikes in a past life.



  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I never bought anything non-Irish before, so I'm just now reading up on the VRT craic.


    So far most things make sense (although if the bikes are on UK plates, rather than NI plates, it complicates things i think!) but can anyone tell me, cos Google isn't really helping, where I would get an EU Certificate of Conformity? Seems to be mentioned a lot in the articles i've read on Revenue's site, but no one seems to know where you get one.


    I've seen bikeworld.ie offer to get them for you for €95, but surely this is something that would be readily available (or so you'd assume)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,607 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    I would get an EU Certificate of Conformity?

    In 99.9% of cases, you don't have to worry about the COC. It is inherent in the V5 reg. cert.

    It is usually with grey imports that the issue might arise.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭flashinthepan


    Has anyone called to ask the mileage

    I seen one on done deal yesterday suspiciously exact same price it had 163000 miles on it

    just wondering ?



  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I seen that one alright. I'm guessing that one, which was a different seller, was bike number 20 (this chap had 19 of them).


    In relation to the certificate of conformity, it says I have to upload it to revenue's site before I attend the VRT appointment.


    There's a silver bandit I was looking at before someone posted those bikes, and I'm half thinking of going for that instead just because it's already on irish plates.


    Having not done vrt before, it's seeming a bit of hassle. I've a van booked for tomorrow, so I'm getting something with two wheels tomorrow, either way.



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  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It was this one:



    but That has a small to do list, aswell, which I presume will cost a few euro more than the €300 he's letting on.. (although I'd be aiming to haggle him anyway).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭flashinthepan


    The Bandit looks in good condition from the pictures and low mileage

    Before I would look at the Honda's up north I would be calling to ask the mileage

    According to one site the Honda engine should be good for 150K miles so if they were anywhere near that it may not be worth the hastle

    I prob would not let the vrt messing put me off if that's all that's bothering you

    I would prob think you could get the Certificate from Honda if you emailed them ?

    I would think someone on here would know for sure though



  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well based on the single one that appeared for sale, the mileage was above 150k miles. They apparently have a solid service history though. Not sure if that helps..?


    Would anyone have a comment to make on this? This is the first bike I looked at (online, haven't seen it in person), because its the bike my instructor will have me on (albeit his bike I'd 300cc, whereas this one is 250cc).


    For an extra €500 it seems reasonable, and I'm thinking it might be the better idea. It's newer, low mileage, 6 months warranty and already in Ireland (and ashbourne is only 30 minutes away from me).


    My concern is that, at 16.5stone, and not knowing much about bike power/sizes etc that 250cc will be a bit wimpy?


    https://www.donedeal.ie/motorbikes-for-sale/benelli-bn251/30063420



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Personally I'd stay away from the Chinese stuff.



  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So the Armagh/Honda CB500X chap text me and said someone went to him today and bought the last 5 bikes. He said he reckons he may be getting another batch soon and can give me first choice if it suits me.


    I worked out the on-the-road (minus insurance costs) difference between the benelli and the Honda (with VRT etc) is about €550. So I've been extensively enough googling Benelli all day and trying to find out good and bad stuff. A lot of people say "stay away" cos apparently they were once Italian made, but are now manufactured in China. To me that's not really a big issue in and of itself as almost everything I've ever bought has been made in China, and I'd presume that, with Benelli being a proper "brand name" that there'd be decent quality control.


    I also know a chap that was on my IBT course, who said a friend of his has a Keeway (also a chinese bike) and has had it a while with no issues.


    The biggest issue I've seen about Benelli, is someone that claims they bought a brand new one, and the engine failed after 15 days, and Benelli just gave him the runaround, as too, did the dealer he got it from. I'm not sure just how much I believe that to be wholly accurate, but that's the biggest issue I've found, and i've only found one person stating it. Most people seem to be just taking issue with the fact it's Chinese-made (and don't get me wrong, we all know the Chinese will cut corners wherever possible, but again, it doesn't seem to be reflected in real-world usage, from the little bit of reading I've been doing).


    So I'm still a bit torn on what to do, but as the Benelli is reasonably cheap, reasonably new, and it's my first bike that'll either spend all it's life with me if i love biking, or be up for sale next summer, if I don't, i reckon it might be a worthy option to consider. Albeit I'll still keep browsing DoneDeal/Adverts in the meantime.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,845 ✭✭✭knucklehead6




  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not sure if that's aimed at me or not, but although it looks like a really nice bike, I couldn't justify that price tag for a first bike unfortunately.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,408 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    6,500 is a lot. I can't imagine they are much more than that new are they? Bikeworld as usual not listing prices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭positron


    KKV, buy a Honda or Yamaha, for example a restricted Fazer (if they are still allowed, not fully clued up on the current system). Fazer 600 is a lovely bike and pretty low tech to learn bike maintenance etc as well.

    Prices are thru the roof. I am itching to change my current bike (F800GT) to something new (R1200RS or GS) but I can't find anything suitable (at the price I am looking to pay). Frigging Brexit has completely ruined biking for us!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Pity these aren't A2 category.

    Although maybe a bit too much for a first bike.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    I'd agree, TDM a bit much and a bit tall.

    SV650 would be a cracker. I'm not sure about A categories though, they are a nice engine.

    VRT is not a big deal, try and get a NI reg one , not UK reg it helps things run smoothly IFKWIM.

    I just cleared an FJR and it was no hassle, literally 30 mins or less in the Blarney office and I was back on the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭goblin59


    Dad has two of these, one he took across South America years ago. I should have gotten one off him as my first bike, the triple cylinder is very smooth according to him and a good road bike. But they're heavy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Parallel twin engine in the tdm.


    P.s. quotes not working for me anymore 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭goblin59




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,408 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig




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