How can we integrate Unionism into a possible United Ireland?

It only hasn't been our country for less than 25 years, up until 1998 Northern Ireland was disputed territory claimed by both the Republic and Britain, it's quite sad you and a few others happily disown a section of our people, you claim to be proud of your country but realistically you have no loyalty to it and only care about your own little bubble, if the British had decided back then they wanted to take Donegal as well then you would happily not regard them as your countrymen either and say "they have nothing to do with us".

If a United Ireland happened then any campaign of violence by loyalists would be futile and would make no sense whatsoever, for one Britain would have to agree that they would actually take them back if they won the war against us, there would be no realistic possibility of Northern Ireland becoming part of the UK again so they would have no logical reason to launch a guerilla war against us.

NI was created by The Government of Ireland Act 1920 and Anglo Irish Treaty 1921 which ended the War of Independence, not by the 1998 Northern Ireland agreement which just repealed the Government Act. Harry, you can’t rewrite history to suit yourself. Donegal was never part of NI, so what is the point of saying “if”?

Ship them out to the Falkland islands and let wave their silly flegs in peace. I'm fairly sure the Scottish don't want them back.

nope section of our country, northern ireland is irish and it's occupation is illegal as it's on the basis of a treaty that was signed under duress via the threat of violence upon the irish people.

it is safe to say that while unionists may be unhappy about a UI, any trouble will only be rioting.

the troubles were a very different situation anyway in that 1 community was the victim of apartheid policies and wanted to remove those policies with the other community wanting to uphold them via violence.

if there is going to be severe trouble, it will be in the event of a yes vote in NI but a no vote in the ROI.

Was the GFA signed under duress?

• Recognised the legitimacy of any choice made by the people of Northern Ireland whether to continue as part of the United Kingdom (UK) or to become part of a united Ireland (the principle of self-determination)

Well it was signed under the threat of "immediate and terrible war"?

Im speaking of Ulster Scots

Coincidentally we speak Hiberno English which is a very different dialect

As are most piece treaties. Harry, we started the war of Independence, when we wanted to negotiate a treaty with an overwhelmingly stronger foe, it is inevitable that any negotiations are going to take place with the understanding that the stronger side can, and in this case will continue the conflict against the aggressor, Ireland. Are all treaties which end wars illegal because one side will continue to fight if it isn’t signed?

But that doesn’t answer the question I asked, under what legislation was the peace treaty signed by the Irish delegation illegal? Saying it was doesnt make it so, unless you can back it up.

The clue is in the name “War of Independence”, Ireland went to war to gain independence from Britain.

Yes, the full force of the British Army would be brought to bear on the Irish if the conflict continued, that is what tends to happen unless you negotiate for peace. And the weaker force with more to lose has to make concessions, otherwise the stronger force just continues the war. That is why Michael Collins said it was the best terms he could negotiate without the conflict continuing to its inevitable conclusion with a much larger occupying force.

I am Irish, I just don’t share your viewpoint. You seem to have a twisted version of what actually happened during the WoI and the negotiations which ended it.

And I’ll ask for the third time, what makes a negotiated treaty which ends a war illegal? Were the treaties/agreements which ended any other wars illegal because one side was willing to continue the war if the other didn’t agree to the terms for peace?

Why can’t they?

They are born on the island of Ireland, but in a country which is part of the UK. It is not a stretch to see why they consider themselves both British and Northern Irish. Unionists feel they have more in common with the UK than Southern Ireland for a variety of reasons.

If you don’t understand that, then you don’t understand why there has been conflict between Nationalists and Loyalists in the North for a hundred years and why integrating Unionists into a unified Ireland will be such a monumental challenge.

I suspect you call anyone who doesn’t share your viewpoint a “partitionist” or “Unionist”, I am neither, but I have no problem with you thinking I am just because I don’t agree with you.

All wars are terrible, the fundamental basis of negotiation to end a war is that both sides realise that one side has more to lose than the other, in this case Ireland had more to lose if war escalated. Hence why the losing side makes the greater concessions. Treaties/agreements to end wars are rarely if ever fair, all are signed under duress, most are signed out of necessity and for self preservation. I’m sure you have heard the term “to the victor goes the spoils”.

Given that I have asked repeatedly why a peace treaty would be illegal, and you have been unable to answer, Im going to take it that you don’t have an answer.

Unfortunately, as you have no doubt encountered, open minds are not always guaranteed when emotive issues are discussed, some will only see one side without consideration for the other.

Please do. Some on this thread haven't read what your opinions are on the subject. If someone gets a bit shirty at your opinions just ignore them.

died out in cork ? more like burned out harry, then again some would like that to happen in the north too ,

best way for a peace full and happy UI is not to have PSF involved