Gyms to Reopen 2021???

there are certainly people out there miscalculating their risks , the other anecdotes I saw recently of people in ICU regretting their decision to not get vacced that were described as "healthy" had more chins than a chinese phone directory so their thought process must have been mind boggling

So all obese vaccinated people will never end up in hospital with Covid?

There's lunatics on either side of this debate, neither group are in touch with reality, your above comment is based on nothing but your own opinion but you post it here as if it's fact.

I mean, it's not as if scientists have proved that obese people are at higher risk from Covid, oh hang on they have... https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/covid-19-attacks-fat-cells-leaving-obese-patients-more-vulnerable-study-finds-1.4751202.

People in glass houses and all that.

That study states that the obese among us are more likely to have severe covid symptoms which would include being in ICU. Which has been discussed already.

You're just saying that in your opinion that isn't the case. Your opinion is wrong.

So the lunatics on either side idea is very much apparent, no offense.

You asserted that they wouldn't end up in ICU at all of they were vaccinated. That's not true.

Vaccine effectiveness wanes over time, a lot of people who were fully vaccinated ended up in ICU because they weren't (and by extension everyone around them) aware that boosters were going to be required.

The booster campaign itself acknowledges that being vaccinated isn't a guarantee of not getting seriously sick with covid. What you said wasn't correct, being obese and vaccinated doesn't mean you can't possibly end up in ICU. The fact that you cited "lunatics" as the real issue when you are willfully ignorant of the facts yourself was what got my back up.

Your assertion that "lunatics" are to blame for the current situation regarding covid is the issue I have.

Yesterday we had Fintan O'Toole writing in the Irish Times that the unvaccinated are a cohort of fascists and soon to be fascists. Complete and utter nonsense stirring up division and hatred amongst the people of this country in the what is notionally regarded as the paper of record.

This "other-ing" of the unvaccinated is a handy tool for politicians who have for generations failed to curate our health service correctly, something that has been an issue for decades, in fact every year in living memory pre covid we have had a winter "trolley crisis" in our hospitals, now the government can take to the airwaves and declare this to be the fault of the unvaccinated. That is a cop out, a get out of jail free card for our self serving political class and our media institutions are backing them up because the notion of unvaccinated = far right conspiracy theorist allows the like of Fintan O'Toole to write absolute garbage like what I referred to above and have people like you nod along in agreement.

Second paragraph.

I never said that you said the unvaccinated are to blame for the current situation. I said that the language you're using to describe the unvaccinated is the same that is used by those who do believe that.

You're demanding I show where you said something, but I never accused you of that, so I could start with the same nonsense you're going on with any say "show me where I said X".

I'm offended by the stupidity of people being whipped up into a frenzy against a small cohort of people as a means of deflecting responsibility from the government and past governments who have created a situation where out health system is continuously incapable of dealing with anything, be that this pandemic, or a standard winter flu season.

If you think all unvaccinated people are "nutty" that's fine by me, it isn't true but you're entitled to the right to have a daft opinion. You have after all gotten all bent out of shape about something to THINK I said but never did, so who's to say who and what is "nutty"?

You got me there.

This isn't the only discussion I've been having about this, got my wires crossed somewhere along the way.

My point is that the ongoing labeling of people as "nutty" as you said, or fascists as Fintan O'Toole said in his piece yesterday isn't helping the situation.

When you chastise and marginalise people you are guaranteed to make their position more entrenched. Essentially, if the goal is to make unvaccinated people come around to your way of thinking and take a vaccine, calling them names and making assumptions about them is not the way to go about it.

Parallel to that, the blame game the government are engaged in with the unvaccinated is a classic case of never let a good crisis go to waste, they are using the unvaccinated as scapegoats for their own failings, in a way seeing everyone vaccinated would be a good thing from the position of giving our elected officials nowhere to hide on the issue of their mismanagement of the health system.

In the end its just disappointing to see how easily people can be turned against one another. It seems like we should be above this type of thing but humans are pretty stupid when you think about it.

That is really not a sustainable model at all for leisure activities, nor for an economy. Remember this measure also includes outdoor outdoor events and entertainment as well. Booster rates will be lower so that means even more of a falloff in business if that's how they are pursued. Imagine businesses being faced with 4-5 times as any people who are not vaccinated according to the cert.

For gyms and other places they will be over soon enough and you can expect the government to drop them for all other domestic use as soon as they can, i.e. the all powerful case numbers fall away enough. The travel use is probably the one place where they will probably remain for a long while.

So are gyms still allowed open past 8 or are they counted as "cultural?"

All hospitality and cultural, cinemas, etc, have to shut at 8 from Monday. I'm assuming gyms aren't affected but not 100% sure.

They need to ban young lads looking at their phones instead of lifting in my gym.

There seems to be so many of them as well since the reopening last year. Saw one dope injure himself last week not lifting properly.

They seem to be obsessed with working their triceps in isolation for some reason. Phones constantly in their hands. I feel like getting a hammer and smashing every phone I see in their hands for more than a few seconds.

That's true, but all you have to do is ask them if you can jump in between sets. They'll soon get the hint. At the end of the day, almost every workout involves rest between sets, so it's inevitable people are going to use their phone as opposed to staring into space for 1-2 mins. The reality is that people would use their phones for music during their workout, or to track their sets, or to time rest periods. It's not practical for everyone to leave their phone in the locker.