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Conspiracy theories, now that's a new jibe, point out one post from me on this thread that is even in the ball park of conspiracy....

@MeMen2_MoRi_ There was agreements made when east and west Germany were being United that NATO wouldn't close in on Russia,

No there was no agreements , mentioned one in a discussion that's as far as that went , there was /is no agreement written or signed to suggest it .

Trying to relevant after the Renua fiasco.

edit: I just checked and Renua still exist, 🙄

The only part of that statement that is probably true is that there was practically no opposition in the American media. There absolutely was in the British and Irish media though. I remember because that's where I was getting my information from. 2003 was pre-social media. Getting on the internet wasn't easy. The majority of people who even had internet access were doing it through their PCs and dial-up internet connections. Most of us therefore were still getting our news from the papers and TV at that time. All of those millions of people who were protesting were getting their news from the "mainstream media" and there were plenty of questioning voices amongst those ranks.

Yes, it is true that the majority of the British papers were behind the invasion but not all of them were. I distinctly remember that the Daily Mirror was not behind it and campaigned vigorously against any war. In Ireland we had an even more even handed view of events. Most people were able to appraise the facts of the matter and deduce that the whole thing was a sham. Without a nakedly partisan media (certain columnists excepted) whipping things up most people here came down against the war. I remember the likes of Joe Duffy doing phone-ins and angry, older and middle aged men shouting their unwavering support for the invasion but they were in the minority and the youth of the country was especially disgusted by it.

The one thing that does link that war with what is going on now is that one country is shaping up for an illegal invasion of another. That time it was USA. This time it's Russian. The unwitting victim that time was Iraq, this time it is Ukraine. I hope that the outcome is not similar but if it is then Russia is likely to have as much trouble holding territory in some parts of Ukraine as the USA did in Iraq.

So are you denying the Soviets largely won the war by themselves? Or what are you trying to deny here?

The Soviets lost 10 million soldiers and 15 million civilians during WW2, while the USA lost 400,000 soldiers and a few thousand civilians.

Not only that but the Nazis took more than three quarters of their casualties to the Red army.

Can you please explain what you are trying to deny here? Are you denying the Soviets played the largest by FAR in defeating Hitler.

First off that wasn't your claim. Your claim was that the Nazis would have occupied the USA during WW2. That's a ludicrous leap by any stretch of the imagination, for no other reason than the geographical positioning of the USA. If you think it's not then I'd like to hear how you think they would have managed it.

Secondly, yes I am denying that the Soviets won the war by themselves. Did they make the largest contribution and human sacrifice to defeating the Axis Powers - Absolutely, yes they did. Did they beat them single-handedly? Of course not.

I have noticed that Nationalists in the UK, USA and Russian all seem to pretend that that their country won the war on their own when the reality is that they all made their own contributions. They weren't the only ones either. Plenty of other smaller nations (such as Australia and New Zealand) also contributed. If the Nazis didn't have to fight in places like North Africa and commit resources to try and prevent the British gaining a beachhead in France then they would have had more resources to pour into their Eastern front battle against the Soviets. Similarly the Soviets were not distracted by having to fight the Japanese on their Eastern frontier as the Japanese were preoccupied with fighting the Americans in the Pacific and the British in south-east Asia.

Fighting a war on multiple fronts against multiple nations is infinitely more difficult and complex then fighting one concentrated enemy on a single front.

You claimed that the soviets saved the Americans from occupation by the Nazis in WW2. Please explain how that was going to happen?

The last piece of the puzzle will be the mobilization of the Russian reserve Forces , everything else is in place, armour , artillery, infantry , amphibious forces,and Anti Aircraft brigade's

Looks like Belarus is getting ready to fight the all the Former Soviet states .

Jesus this not going to end well

No deflection here my good man, I've made my position quite clear, why the hell do you think I've prompted so much abuse and false narratives? Now if you're interested in my position you can scroll back through the thread, I'm certainly not going to do your research for you.

You have Zero clue 🅾️

Huge amounts of Russian military moving into Belarus and on Ukraine's borders now. No chance this is a hoax given the type of kit that is being sent.

Good old RT getting the we were attacked narrative ready , we are only invading to prevent Genocide .

Genocide of who???

Nobody in Russia seems to know who