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not looking good. the only hope at this stage is a swift takeover from russia with little resistance to keep the body count down, otherwise it's gonna be a bloodbath. unless of course NATO decides to properly jump in, which could also be a bloodbath but at least it would make the russian's think twice.

If NATO enforced a no fly zone over the the Ukraine it would probably make the invasion unviable.

Firstly I 'feel' no need whatsoever to clarify anything here. My position is clear and hasn't altered. If anyone wants to discuss my position it's on the record here for all to see bit I'm certainly not going to do your research work for you, if you're that interested you know what to do.

Isn't it interesting that you say it's clear to 'everyone' - my, my you're allowing your arrogance get the better of you there..

It would.but would it also probably make an invasion inevitable. I don't think Russia would be able to stand for it. imo

It's like groundhog day. Everyday, the Russian invasion of Ukraine is "imminent". Everyday, nothing happens.

If NATO/EU thought there was a genuine risk of conflict in Ukraine they would be taking things a lot more seriously. If they were willing to fight for Ukraine's borders (spoilers, they are not) then they would be readying huge numbers of troops. Not sending a few dozen extra observers as the Canadians announced recently. As they are not willing to fight for Ukraine, then to avoid a conflict they would be pushing Ukraine to reconcile with Russia. As it is, it is the Ukrainians who have realised their own interests are not served by all the NATO/EU sabre rattling and have called for the rhetoric to be cooled down. Which is of course entirely ignored by their so-called allies. Instead we have a scenario like straight out of that film Wag the Dog where politicians invent a fake war to make them look strong.

Still, the good news for the US is that they are able to bully Germany into further delaying or even cancelling Nordstream 2. Which has been a top objective of US policy in Europe for years now. When it comes to US policymakers, they always talk about the need to halt Nordstream 2. They are obsessed with it.

so you suggest that NATO and EU should station troops in Ukraine to show they are serious?

But putin has already invaded. He invaded and took crimea? He's using proxy's to occupy Eastern Ukraine as I type? Do you disagree with either of these statements?

Putin would never let an issue like dead body count get in his way, Russian army is there to serve him and the Motherland.

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anything Russia were going to do in that area of water is more than likely done.

They had free reign of that area the last week or so under the pretence of an exercise.

This gave plausible deniability for a congregation of Russian warships using active sonar to clear an area and use area denial methods to keep allied submarines away.

It also gave the media opportunity of "Look we're no so bad"

So you don't disagree with either statement? So you at least acknowledge putin did invade Ukraine recently and continues by proxy to occupy a large swathe of the country's east.

So can you then understand why the current movements of Russian army personnel/hardware is giving rise to the assumption that a further invasion of Ukraine is indeed a possibility?

Why would anyone dispute what happened in 2014?

I don't operate on assumptions. There is no invasion, and in my opinion there will be no invasion, indeed I very much doubt the US think there will be one but it suits the West and US imperialism in particular to whip up the frenzy, it's a case of plus ça change c'est la même chose with those lads.

OK I'd agree there's definitely no guarantee of a further invasion.

Nobody here knows what will happen but I think given the previous invasion and annexing of crimea, the ongoing proxy war in the East of the country and the personel/hardware movements of the Russian army, there's is more than a chance of a further invasion.

The Western media is portraying a narrative of Russian mperialist aggression trying to bully it's smaller neighbor, largely using information and narratives given to them by the intelligence agencies such as the claim recently that was headline news in every Western media outlet that Russia was preparing for a false flag attack against it's own people to create a pretext for the imminent invasion.

But there is a different narrative, just a couple of days ago the Ukrainian president called on the west to stop creating panic over the situation, the current situation can be compared to the standoff during the 1962 Cuban missile crisis.

The background noise about the Russian invasion of Ukraine, which is about to begin, is intended not so much to save it (Ukraine) from the evil Muscovite government, but to disguise its own preparation for aggression.