Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

Just to fill in some facts:

The EU (important as the EMA is approval organisation it doesn't order vaccines) didn't take up the option for further adenovector vaccines, countries can themselves order, if they wish. The reasons they didn't go any further with orders was down to the vaccine supply being unreliable, the vaccines themselves being less efficacious and the vaccines being targeted at those over 30 years of age due to clotting issues found in younger age groups. There was also a general push towards mRNA for vaccines with research ongoing in this area to replace other vaccines (flu will probably be first) as they can scale production, have excellent efficacy results (even for coronavirus) and can be adapted quickly to new threats.

Novavax (protein based vaccine) is now approved within the EU and Ireland and will offer an alternate, it's using a similar method to older vaccines but with new technology being used to stimulate an immune response, it's safety profile looks good but hasn't had the mass numbers that mRNA has to identify any rare side effects.

I don't think anything phishnet has posted in the last day or so is in any way new or unknown, the safety profile of all vaccines remains excellent, there is side effects, but they are exceedingly rare and the risk/benefit for all the vaccines is clearly in favour of the vaccines (regardless of type) vs. contracting the virus.

I think that he's trying to make a joke about how we're all mushrooms cause we are all "eating ****" from mainstream media etc.

He thinks it's very clever and very popular with his imaginary readers and thinks it will catch on as a new "soyboy" or "cuck" etc.

But honestly I think it sounds too cutesy for that to happen.

And of course it is entirely ironic that a fellow who is getting all of his arguments and thoughts from Twitter is trying to make this an insult.

It's far more endearing and funny when he uses it over his more bigoted and offensive slurs though.

You mean due to the possible contamination at one plant that they've since resumed production from? That J&J?

For the reasons I've said in that post, less efficacious and issues with blood clots for those under 30 and the higher availability of a vaccine with higher efficacy. There are some people who don't trust the mRNA vaccines and wanted an alternate, the option will still be there for them.

Had the adenovector vaccines been the only vaccines available, they would be recommended.

But this has been the state of things since Summer 2021, there's no new information in what you've posted.

So are you saying that the pfizer and modern vaccines are perfectly safe?

Also can you show where in your link it says

"J&J have currently halted production of its vaccine in the USA."?

The EU stopped ordering them last Summer, all their pre-ordered supply since has been donated to other countries via the COVAX program, they announced the contracts wouldn't be renewed many months ago and that the future production options wouldn't be taken up.

I've no doubt that low demand would mean they stop producing it (publicly J&J say they are still pursuing the Ad26 vaccine platform but internally are probably looking to get out or move to other technologies).

But none of this is a safety thing, there's better vaccines available, so they'll be used instead, when a future Omicron variant vaccine becomes available (or whatever variant is dominant) the existing vaccines will stop production (well likely production supplanted by the update), none of that is a safety issue.

If Omicron (or variation thereof) remains the dominant variant, then future supply will pivot accordingly, countries don't want to be caught without vaccines again and low vax countries are going to be hit economically by high healthcare costs by no-vax idiots (Ireland is lucky in this regard).

And, Canada is buying it (see the link I posted earlier.) J&J are still producing it. So, until Phishy PROVES they've halted production, it's still in production. If it gets phased out by J&J due to lack of sales, well, so be it, their $$, their choice.

Here you are pretending to have inside information again.

What are you basing this on? How do you know this is true?

You have been caught out in lie after lie. Why do you think anyone will believe this claim because you're hinting at secret knowledge you can neither detail or support?

No one except those gullible enough to fall for conspiracy cranks pulling the same scam on Twitter is going to believe that.

Ah the old "I know something you don't" thing.

The power of information.

Certainly the debating style of someone who has risen to "Sales Director" requiring frequent foreign travel.

Utter spoofer.

OK. When and how do you know this?

Why did you claim previously that they were not renewing the contract when you now admit that was a lie on your part.

Also again why do you links state that the FDA is still allowing the J&J vaccine to be available?

You keep dodging these questions and then whinge about people dodging yours.