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An Post returning packages from outside the EU-See 1st post

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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    MOD - It was moved to AddressPal thread, because it was about AddressPal, as will this one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy


    Fair enough, just thought it might be helpful to people here, thought you had replied to it so it was okay and then was gone.

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,718 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Just to show that the system can work without delay. I ordered this item online late night 17th, delivered 8.30 am 21st. I never used the company before. It has a CN22 declaration with IOSS Id number LT-IM4400001821, Company EORI number GB896390861000. In the HS Tariff no. & origin box is 85189000 (CHN). Only 8 digits. Price £22.49, Postage £7.62, Tax £6.92, total £37.03, I paid €46.25.

    In normal times nobody should be surprised at this, and there are probably thousands of similar experiences which won't be reported here.

    Destination Country - Ireland(Modify)

    Origin Country - United Kingdom(UK Royal Mail):  44 1752387112    Go to official website

    2022-01-21

    06:32:00

    Arrived at Delivery Office,DUNDALK DSU

    2022-01-20

    14:19:00

    Item has left the overseas International Processing Centre,DUBLIN DELIVERY, Ireland

    2022-01-20

    10:15:00

    Item Received,DUBLIN DELIVERY, Ireland

    2022-01-19

    01:41:13

    Item Leaving the UK,LANGLEY HWDC

    2022-01-19

    01:19:52

    Item Received by Royal Mail,LANGLEY HWDC

    2022-01-18

    19:28:00

    Item received at,Gatwick MC

    2022-01-18

    15:08:53

    Sender preparing item,



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭innuendo141


    Delighted to see myself need to return to this thread after a few months. Are they still sending things back after payment? Got one of those slips about a book coming from UK (I buy lots of books from the UK, its also clearly labelled USED BOOK an the Post website).

    Thought books were exempt, regardless of the fact that Amazon charge for the VAT at checkout. (its sold by Amazon).

    Fun days ahead being ignored by the eComm email again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy


    Saw loads of tweets re books but still don't know why it's not been changed yet.


    I haven't bought much I'm still sticking to couriers where possible



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭deezell


    Had a Chinese made item in 4 days from amazon.uk, Anpost label on the box. It's odd that you can get stuff from amazon UK with free delivery, no duty and just the vat differential, while the same item on amazon.de will have a substantial delivery charge to Ireland. I have to assume it's to do with the warehouse it's sitting in, and the goods from UK being less than €150 including delivery.



  • Registered Users Posts: 46 MrCouperin


    It's getting ridiculous now. I'm waiting over two weeks now for a parcel from the UK, I've a sneaky feeling it was sent back. I've heard of at least one other person who had a parcel from the same company sent back just a few weeks ago. CN23 form, 10-digit TARIC codes, weight, country of origin, VAT paid through IOSS and everything else all done properly - still sent back. They're just messing with us at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭deezell


    I wonder if it's because after the scan, the data is not yet on their database here so they can't confirm the ioss has been paid. A bit like when you scan a vendor supplied tracking number and there's no record on the AnPost system because its not been scanned. Aren't they supposed to get advance data electronically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,558 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Stuff from Book Depository arrives with the customs info blacked out.

    Wonder is it customs doing this?

    Also I've had several parcels arrive which have no customs label on them at all.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,723 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Same package that was sent back to Japan a few weeks ago was sent back again. Despite me getting the sender to add the TARIC codes which I had been recommened to use by An Post themselves.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 46 MrCouperin


    That's terrible. If I'm right about my parcel being sent back (no tracking, so I've no idea), then they pretty much send them back just for the laugh. Even when the sender does everything right, it's still a 50/50 chance. Delivery to Ireland from outside Europe is pretty much courier only now I think. 😪



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,054 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    In the last couple of months I've been ordering stuff from China using a postnl option which gets routed through Netherlands or Luxembourg as the first European port of a call on the way to Ireland. Every package has been coming through has been fine since then. I used to always use the Ireland epacket option because it was quicker and costs the same as postnl. The Chinese retailer has told me every package being sent back just has vague message that something is wrong with the declaration, they can't figure out what it is. Ioss payments are made, correct taric codes, proper value declaration etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy


    I know someone who ordered 2 parcels, 1 arrived with taric only and another was sent back, 2 different sellers.

    Sorry you had to deal with another return



  • Registered Users Posts: 46 MrCouperin


    I hadn't thought to check An Post, and it seems my parcel was sent back alright. It had identical customs information to two previous parcels I got from the same company in November and December 2021. This is making me really pretty annoyed. 😫

    Going to have it sent by UPS. It'll cost nearly €20, but at least it'll actually get here.

    Post edited by MrCouperin on


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Postal Headache


    Over a month ago I mailed a package from the USA to Ireland. Yesterday it turned up back at my mailbox with the dreaded "refused" pink stickers attached from An Post/Irish customs. No further explanation given. Thankfully I found this thread in a quest for answers and its comforting to discover I'm not the only one. USPS says it's not their fault and will not refund postage paid or reattempt delivery. Frustrating considering postage was NOT cheap but in fairness, they did their job. I'd appreciate any advice as to the following:

    -Has anyone successfully obtained a refund from An Post? Please share your story.

    -What email address or phone number should I contact to request a refund?

    I'll be closely following the thread. Thank you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭AnRothar



    Your contract is with the USPS not anPost.

    They attempted to deliver your items but failed as the correct addressing information was not included.

    Any goods sent from outside the EU must include the relevant customs declarations.

    anPost scan everything electronically so anything without proper documentation invariably gets sent back.

    I don't know how much knowledge average USPS counter representative has about customs documentation for other countries.

    How you would go about correctly documenting your goods will probably require a bit of searching.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭deezell


    AnPost have turned internationally accepted standards for the receipt of non EU post on it's head, by brutally implementing a new system out of sync with the rest of the EU, without a trial period and with no reversion to the tried and tested method for cases which are not compliant with the new and nor easily understood rules. The lack of feedback to sender or receiver is unprofessional in the extreme. It's like a game of twenty guesses. Here's your post back. Resend it if you dare with what you think is the correct data (but not what will get your packet delivered to the rest if the civilised world).

    BTW, you state, "They attempted to deliver your items but failed as the correct addressing information was not included". How do you know?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,054 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    I still can't get over how people are defending An Post on this. If I as the customer send a package with an incorrect/incomplete customs declaration, fair enough that's on me. But as you say An Post not telling the sender exactly what the problem was when they receive the return package is outrageously bad customer service and honestly something only a publicly funded company with a monopoly could get away with. I can't think of any comparable scenario in the private sector. Imagine paying for a service but you didn't complete a requirement for that service to be delivered, then they turn around and say there was a problem with your requirements but we're not going to tell you which one. Such a private sector company wouldn't be long doing business that way.

    My theory is that An Post haven't implemented a proper system yet and/or don't want the hassle of dealing with contested returns(The customer can't contest a return if you don't tell them what the problem was exactly).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,107 ✭✭✭hi5



    I have stopped using my supplier of twenty three years in the UK, I buy from Germany now and use DHL.

    I've also stopped using An Post to send out packages and switched to Couriers instead, that's over a thousand Euros a year that An Post will lose from me.

    It seems to me like this is an attack on non EU businesses.

    UK businesses are well aware of whats happening and have reported it to their government and it wouldn't surprise me if there is some connection with Northern Ireland currently stopping customs checks coming in from Britain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭AnRothar


    His contract is with USPS.

    They accepted the goods.

    It should be up the the USPS to ensure that any goods they accept for sending beyond the US have proper documentation.

    No point blaming anPost here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭deezell


    Same goods with the same documentation will successfully arrive all over the world, including EU countries, perhaps with requests for duty, or vat, but they will arrive. An Post like the Mammy watching the military parade, and everyone is out of step, except her Johnny!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,054 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    That's my point, okay they might mess you around on a delivery like any logistics company but at the bare minimum they will have a customer service department that will engage with you to try and resolve the issue. I contacted An Post through multiple channels and always got the same copy/paste response "incorrect/invalid declaration", conversation over.



  • Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭J0hnick


    Just ordered 2 Japanese Sega Saturn games from Japan, combined shipping, worth about €50. Nervous I wont get it now after reading this thread 😕



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 Ignoramus of Loyola


    And another two packages returned the sender. Absolutely fantastic, I love dealing with An Post's bullshit. The most frustrating issue really is the lack of any reason as to why they're returned. At this point you may as well flip a **** coin as to whether you'll even receive what you order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    Are they being shipped via airmail or courier?

    If it's the latter, you should be ok.



  • Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭J0hnick


    According to the seller its "Economy International Shipping", so I'm guessing that's a no



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    In the last couple of months, Japan Post had to put this notice up on their website - https://www.post.japanpost.jp/int/use/ireland_en.html - presumably due to the sheer volume of returned packages from Ireland. It will depend on whether or not the Japanese sellers have followed these directions. And even then, nothing is guaranteed.

    Another impact of this is that people are now using Amazon UK a lot more as their packages (particularly if you have Prime) get through without an issue. Plus they deal with the VAT differential in a very straightfoward manner. I buy lots of physical media from the UK and heretofore use a mix of independent online sellers and Amazon. But because of the issues with double VAT, rejected packages etc, I just use Amazon exclusively now. So the independents are losing out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Postal Headache


    This time last year packages mailed to Ireland arrived just fine. Suddenly now they're being returned to sender (without explanation) because some bureaucrat couldn't be arsed doing his job. If what you claim about the customs declaration not being filled out correctly is true, my phone number and email address were clearly marked on the form. It would have been cheaper for An Post/Irish customs to send me a quick email and bill me if necessary rather than go through the expense of returning the package half way across the world. It says a lot that Japan Post had to put up a special notice specifically about mailing to Ireland. Ireland is a joke, barely functioning country masquerading as a developed nation.

    I'm willing to dedicate time to kicking up a storm over this. Contact to TDs, media, higher ups with An Post etc. So I'll repeat the questions - has anyone been successful in getting a refund from An Post over this nonsense? USPS have done their job. My beef is not with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭deezell


    Heres the joke. You're often unaware that your parcel is being returned, as AnPost tracking will say your parcel is being delivered. What they don't say is that they're referring to delivery to the senders address. I actually managed to get through to their customer service to ask where was my already delayed parcel when the tracking status finally changed to "your parcel has been delivered", but there was nothing in my postbox. Turns out it was at the return address, the international EU inbound centre in Germany. My supplier eventually received it back many months later, but wrote it off and fully refunded me when I contacted them when I learned it was on its way back. Others not so lucky. The thing that bothered me was DHL/Deutschespost received the packet from OZ, and forwarded it on the basis that it complied with EU postal entry requirements . AnPost had other ideas. They effectively rejected an internal EU delivery



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    i had the misfortune of my elderly mother sending a hand knitted jumper and some confectionary from NZ , they even said at the post office that a lot of stuff was being returned . She wrote the taric codes on it and sent it in October , last month it arrived back with a pink sticker on it. After paying $150 it was returned to her. I think An Post is trying to reduce the amount of parcels that they have to deliver and their workload accordingly. If this keeps on its will drastically reduce the amount of parcels they have to deliver. If the couriers are moving into that market it probably suits them. I wonder if it is another move in the direction of privatisation?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Postal Headache


    This disproves the claim that it's the absence of taric codes causing the rejections, despite what An Post's defenders on here are desperate to portray. $150 is a lot of money. I hope your grandmother makes the effort to be reimbursed by An Post for services not provided. I will keep you updated on my efforts.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    The contract is between the sender and their Postal service. An Post have no obligation to you and won't entertain refunds. You should do yourself a favour and read through the whole thread to see how long this is going on and what people have tried to do about it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Postal Headache


    Wow...what a needlessly snarky response. We don't all have the time to read through 1717 posts. You're not a primary school teacher giving me homework. Why don't you politely summarize the actions others have taken to solve the problem and whether they were successful.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭rf4c


    To : Postal Headache - Well said my friend! It's way beyond joking now. Shame on our Ministers and shame on the EU for turning a blind eye.

    I've been down the writing to Ministers route. I even tried the Postal Union, and the EU but ignored by all, including

    An Post CEO. It seems Minister Ryan in his wisdom appointed a new Chair to An Post, one Ms. Bolger and her background

    is banking. I would speculate that An Post has aspirations to be a financial service provider and doing all they can to

    kill off parcel / postal deliveries and watch the private sector pick up the wreckage.


    To: whiterebel: You are patently wrong and as Postal Headache said, please don't talk down to the rest of us as if you had the monopoly on

    wisdom. I think we may have crossed swords on this point in the past. In any event, I think I'm correct in my belief that

    you are a moderator. As such you have no business lecturing participants, offering opinions or taking sides. This is not

    what a moderator is meant to do.

    As for the factual integrity of your "opinion" you would do well to use all that free time you have to read up on

    Postal and Telecommunications Services Act 1983, s. 16. Communications Regulation (Postal Services)



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    MOD - @Postal Headache - that was in no way a narky response. This has been going on a long time and its not fair on other posters to start going through the whole thing again, and less so to expect posters to sit down and give you a reprise of so many posts. Most of the original problems and suggested solutions would have been covered in the first few pages.


    @rf4c - This is a moderated discussion board. I am perfectly entitled to have opinions on posts. Do not lecture me again on moderation, this isn't the first time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy


    Myself and others have shared experiences and articles under the #NoPostAnPost tag on Twitter, that's the shorter version of this thread I guess?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    Mod - rf4c forum ban. Repeated back seat modding and ignoring moderator instruction.



  • Registered Users Posts: 46 MrCouperin


    So, for some reason my parcel was re-sent by normal post instead of by courier. After 9 days, it still hasn't arrived so I'm expecting it to arrive back in England a second time any day now.

    I tried to contact An Post, who told me several times that the TARIC codes were missing, and when I told them I knew for a fact this was a lie, they told me the same thing again. The supplier got a completely different story from An Post, which is that one of the TARIC codes was identified as a banned substance (completely wrongly). When they pointed out to An Post that none of the TARIC codes supplied was listed on An Post's list of restricted substances, they got the same bulls**t back.

    This is getting crazy now, really just absolutely crazy. It's one thing for them to say that they need particular things before they'll deliver - intensely annoying but within their rights. When sellers meet those requirements and still have packages returned en masse, it's just gone beyond what anyone can put up with. I just don't know what to do.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    That's what was happening with some of it in the early days, its was returned as it was "prohibited".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,054 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    The prohibited items description is so generalised I can see why they would fall back on it as a catch all excuse



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭deezell


    What happens if you forget/lose property abroad, and your hotel offers to post it back? Is there a taric code for lost and found? I forgot my car/house keys in an EU country, no problem getting them back, but what if it was Turkey, or even just the UK? Imagine AnPost sending back something as important. It should be possible for the receiver to log the tracking no. and details of an expected packet with Anpost, and see in advance if it had enough info, requires a customs payment etc. Something needs to be done.



  • Registered Users Posts: 532 ✭✭✭Cookiee


    I'd pay extra so they send it with a courier, better chance of getting through than an post at the moment



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭oreo47


    Are items without taric codes shipped via fedex also being returned back to the sender?

    I currently have something coming from america stuck in customs here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    I have got packages from Japan via DHL and Fedex without issue in recent weeks. Don't think they had Taric codes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 46 MrCouperin


    I've had a few packages from Japan delivered by FedEx recently myself and there was no issue with those. No TARIC codes given - I think FedEx handle that side of things themselves, I'd say the other couriers do too. The problems are just with An Post, in my experience anyway!

    Speaking of An Post, as if it wasn't bad enough to have a package returned again, I've now got one of those dreaded double VAT charges on another one. They can't do anything right!!

    Post edited by MrCouperin on


  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭oreo47


    So when ordering from from the UK besides the HS and taric code what more is needed?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    The Royal Mail need to complete the electronic declaration correctly. Its on their website now, and at An Post https://www.anpost.com/customs-information



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Dammij


    Like everyone else, I've had my share of good and bad experiences.

    My most recent one was ordering a toy for my grandson last Friday from Japan - I gave it to him this morning!!

    My main need for help is this: In relation to buying in the UK, I accept that that suppliers can use Royal Mail to complete the paperwork

    with all the necessary info, like IOSS and TARIC, etc. but in my case I buy small items from crafts people. Just some person sitting in their kitchen making things and selling them. Is there any way I can involve myself to help things along. For instance could I get their details, sue them to do the online Royal Mail declaration and maybe email them the label? I know many of them just aren't bothered, but some really need the income but to old or set in their ways, so I'd love to help!



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    Unless Royal Mail/foreign post office do it correctly, it doesn't matter what you do here. The electronic declaration has to be correct for it to work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy


    I buy from crafts people too but my last item just got lost and as it was regular mail I'd to just pay again, don't think the seller got anywhere with Royal Mail and An Post.

    I ended up sending it to a friend in the North to pass on, think DPD was too expensive for a bracelet



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