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FI Charts ( T120+ onwards) Winter 2021/2022 **READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST**

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    ECM 12z trying to turn things colder into the 1st week of February. Nothing too cold but definitely a bit more promising than over a month of high pressure or warm south-westerly charts.

    The High finally seems to be on the move to the mid Atlantic on this particular run.

    GFS 12z does something similar but afterwards the high retreats back to Spain and we bring in a fairly flat zonal flow after this.




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,137 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Yes 3 runs in a row showing a change to wintry weather from about next weekend , could be a very cold opener to the Six Nations at the Aviva , ECM and GFS showing blustery wintry weather with snow potential and very cold nights at the moment sourced from the NW /N.








  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,218 ✭✭✭pauldry


    This mundane weather is coming to an end. February is looking like a windy washout at least in the North and West. Even the end of January could become unsettled. The Northwesterlies have got sick of this just like ...... me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 384 ✭✭torres9kop


    Ah Lads. Its like waiting on Utd to win the league again. It aint going to happen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,218 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Hopefully it doesn't (Utd winning the league) but confidence has grown substantially in the past few runs.

    Also yr.no now has nearly 50mm of rain in the next 7 days for Sligo. Last week it had 5mm for the 7 days just gone.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,137 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Will be interesting to see if the weather has any effect on the Russian Naval drills of the SW coast from around next Thurs for about 5 days ( if it goes ahead or just propaganda or diversion tactics ). The sea state is set to get good and lumpy with some strong NW'lys showing up at this stage. They wont be welcome in Bantry Bay if it gets too rough that is for sure! Not great weather for Irish fishing trawlers heading out to protest. Might make an interesting thread to keep an eye on it , weather wise of course.

    Will open a thread on it, could get heated and the weather might play a part in events.





  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,137 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    The last 5 runs from ECM showing cold wintry weather at the end of next week through the weekend. Blustery / windy also possible. Could get freezing conditions in sheltered places away from the coasts, very cold day time temperatures with windchill according to the charts if they come to pass. Snow possible.

    GFS on the cold also and outlook looking more seasonal.







  • Registered Users Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭sicknotexi


    Pub run is really on the rip tonight.




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    I'm sure the GFS 00z will have sobered up by that stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Not as mental as the 106cm predicted by the ECM last month...



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Just after noticing on Wetterzentale that they have added the ECMWF ensemble graphs which will be very useful.

    Perhaps there is a slight problem with no precipitation showing up on above chart.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,137 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    The colder plunge at the end of next week not as clear-cut the last couple of runs, wintry maybe for a day or two then slight rise in temps for a day or so and possibly getting wintry again in the early days of the following week, GFS something similar and a colder outlook but already the ECM and GFS have eased off the duration of cold so low confidence overall but do think we could get colder weather with mountain snow initially at the end of next week . Will see.







  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The ECM and CFS long range models are now fully supporting high pressure to dominate much of the second half of February, all of March with south-westerly winds throughout and very little rainfall. If this verifies we could be looking at an early Spring and an exceptionally dry first quarter of 2022.

    CFS long range model keeps the high anchored over us throughout March and April, however in May it starts to move back southwards. We finish up with a strong scandi high linking up with the azores for June which would deliver a very warm or hot month for us. Very unlikely this will all verify but so far the long term models have been accurate in keeping the high pressure rooted over us throughout January. If the high pressure dominates for much of February and March then perhaps it could just keep on going into the early part of the summer.

    At this stage i'm paying more attention to what sort of Spring and Summer we could get this year as I've washed my hands of this winter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭piplip87


    Thanks for the update. I would love some snow and proper cold. Although today has reminded me that boring and dry beats wet and windy. The dogs have been so used to long walks in the Forrest although today was a quick walk around the cleanest route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    It's too early to write off winter yet. 4 weeks to play for and things can and do change quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    The only bit of hope i have left with this winter is sometimes around the end of Feb delivers something. We have had virtually nothing of note at all this winter cold wise so I'm hoping for a little sting in the tail .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,218 ✭✭✭pauldry


    The sting in the tail of this Winter will probably be record high temperatures.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The weather over the next 2 weeks is looking increasingly mild to very mild if not slightly warm at times. There may be very brief cool spells lasting about a day or 2 but other than that expect temperatures regularly to reach 10 to 14C over the next 2 weeks with high pressure and warm long fetch south-westerlies for the first half of February. There is a chance we may reach 15 or 16C in a few spots if we can get sunshine combined with the warm air. Overall it looks relatively dry for much of the time apart from some patchy light rain or drizzle at times, however northern and western areas may be prone to more regular rainfall.

    The NAO and AO is set to remain fairly positive over the coming 2 weeks with plenty of low pressure to our north while we will remain mostly on the warm side of the jet steam and often relatively dry. There is no signs of northern blocking any time soon with deep areas of low pressure from Canada across to Greenland and Iceland and high pressure never far away from us.

    We finish up with high pressure anchored over us with warm southerly winds making it feel very much like spring.

    There is potential for this February to be the mildest section of this winter with significantly warmer than average conditions that could rival February 2019 where it was warm enough to wear shorts and tshirts, if this sort of a setup was to verify as we head towards the 3rd week of February temperatures of 16 or 17C could be possible under the right conditions.

    Very little rain looks likely across the south and east of the country with perhaps the north and north-west seeing more average amounts of rainfall.




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭esposito



    I welcome the low rainfall predicted but those mid teen temperatures, no thanks! Can we have them in March instead please. Looks like another very mild February with no snow for most beckons. Sad sad times. I was going to say roll on next winter but let's be honest it's probably going to be either a wet, stormy one or something similar to this one, - mild and dry. I have no faith in this country getting a significant cold spell in the next few years based on recent winters going all the way back to 2011 (with 2017/18 being the exception).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,218 ✭✭✭pauldry


    The weather always surprises. Nature is never consistently predictable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,296 ✭✭✭ongarite


    Looks like the lawnmower will be coming out of hibernation if that forecast plays out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    For the first time that i can remember Mayo coco are out cutting grass here in Castlebar since last week in mid January! All grass near round a bouts and grass on the Mall in the middle of town is cut. looks great to be fair to them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Bring it on! Let’s have some nice springlike weather before the arrival of winter in April.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,489 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    They'll have to rename the azores high if this keeps up.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,218 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Latest GFS brings rain a bit closer so in general more unsettled but drier in South and East. All the run is mild though with just brief cool interludes.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    February is once again a complete write off for any sort of cold or snow unless there is a major change over the next 2 weeks which I don't see happening. All the long range models support mild or very mild for the next 1 to 2 months at the very least. This pattern should last into early Spring. Hopefully it will last till mid summer because if it does we could be in for a fairly memorable summer or a trainwreck of a summer if we lose this pattern just before summer and revert to several months of cool and wet. I would gladly give up a bit of hill snow in March for the continuation of this pattern to benefit our summer. A 1976 style summer would be possible if this pattern persists all the way to August but that means holding onto this setup for another 6 months, we're going to need alot of luck for this to remain in place till then.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭PukkaStukka


    Dare I say it but if the summer is dry, talk of water shortages will be swift. It's been the driest mildest winter I can ever remember. The number of frosts we've had here can be counted on one hand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    Sometimes the weather is at least partly about timing regards how a year turns out. Will this pattern hold for the next few months? Will it be a year of 2 halves? Dry first half ,wet second half? Will it hold till the end of spring then breakdown leading to a washout summer? Will the end of the year be mild and stormy? Or cold and wintry? Interesting to see how this year pans out and how far into the year the current pattern lasts and what will finally replace it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭Lucreto


    I expecting a below average temperature summer this year. The cold air will break out as some point and probably hang in around until August.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭highdef


    High pressure has been dominant in Ireland and most of the British Isles in general for a long long time now. The majority of the time, high pressure seems to be in force rather than low pressure. Winds have been generally lighter than normal and it's been generally a lot drier than usual. Although unlikely, I sometimes wonder if there is possibly some sort of change in climate occurring that is affecting the weather in our part of the world.

    Admittedly, we are entering a period of sometimes unsettled weather but even then, high pressure is still closer to us that usual, generally being located between us and the Azores and it wouldn't surprise me at all if the models show high pressure migrating back up to us soon.

    I also wouldn't be surprised if this very post jinxes the long run of generally fine weather and it's going to be horrible for the rest of the year with the worst summer ever recorded to come. 😂🤣😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    It's only 1st February this month isn't a write off models can be wrong etc



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Models can be wrong but usually wrong when it comes to weather we want: cold and snow in the winter and high pressure dominating in the summer. It rarely flips from 2 weeks of boring/unsettled charts to something much more favorable, particularly during the winter.

    I think it's in our interest now that we see this pattern continue till at least the middle or end of July to get a decent summer. I am worried that when this pattern breaks properly it will be goodbye high pressure for months on end, afterall most of our yearly weather is usually dominated by the conveyer belt from the Atlantic and we haven't really been in this position properly since 2020. August is usually a crap month and if we got June and July decent and then the pattern breaks in August, this should continue into September delivering a cooler more typical September than what we experienced during the autumn. We will need a cool or fairly typical September this year to give us any sort of hope for next winter as we now now that a September filled with low to mid 20s is not a good sign for the winter.

    Nobody really knows when this pattern will truly break, it could be happening right now, it could get delayed another month or two or it could break just as summer starts. It could even last right through the summer and into Autumn, that would make a full year of high pressure dominance and mostly dry conditions which truly would be exceptional, it's already exceptional the length this has gone on for already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭jkforde


    off topic a bit but isn't this insane low pressure 912hPa GFS model for next Monday up by NW Iceland


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    Yes I get your points completely, I absolutely agree I don't want a 2009 summer wasn't it Rihanna with umbrella that jinxed that summer what a depressing summer but great winter, I'm just suprised that we haven't had decent snow or much frosts, barely a storm as well, I just hope march can deliver some cold although with the equinox on 18th we will be getting warmer from then on. I just think over the last 9 months ireland has heated up and I don't want to believe its climate change



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,137 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    I think the jet looks like entering a more active period , the flow giving us alternating cooler and mild spells of weather, the mild bringing rain of course and the cooler will have some marginal wintry weather , one such couple of days is at the end of next week around Thurs or Fri, could be seeing fronts moving into cold air over Ireland but long way off yet. The GFS jet charts keep up the theme of alternating mild and cooler spells .Run of the mill stuff in general , GFS showing some windy spells at times. ECM showing more under the influence of HP but rain bands getting through ( some look like they could be heavy coming up from the SW ) and the rainfall totals starting to tot up again, the end of the ECM looks quite wet from the S /SW with the Jet slowing down before coming more from the SW. Wouldn't be surprised to see wetter weather on the cards, looks mostly Atlantic driven at this stage.











  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    That was 2007. Very poor summer but also followed by a poor winter. Though the winters did improve after that winter for a few yrs but continued with poor summers (though the first half of summer 2010 wasn't bad) until the good summer of 2013.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,218 ✭✭✭pauldry


    The temperature in Sligo has been stuck at 9c since February began. The next 2 weeks look 7 to 11c here. Winter will be over by then but we may get an odd cold day in between the mild at the end of the month. We had one frosty night this Winter and a couple of hours another night. Most other nights have not only been above 0c but also above 5c!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Tonights CFS looks like a repeat of last Spring. Staying generally mild until the end of March and then multiple direct hit northerlies for April which would bring wintry conditions at various stages through the month and this even extends into the early part of May. After that we alternate between cool and unsettled and very warm and humid with high pressure from the azores near by. An interesting run.

    Tonights GFS keeps us mostly mild but there could be some cold zonality at times over the next few weeks which may give high ground a chance of sleet or snow. This Friday will be one of those isolated days this winter which will actually be colder than average with wintry potential over high ground. GFS also going for another cold day on Friday 11th of February with some nationwide snow but this is extremely unlikely to verify.

    Overall we are starting to trend more generally unsettled but staying mostly mild except for an isolated day or 2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    Sorry yes it was 2007,I went to Portugal that year for 2 weeks, saying that I hope sumer this year will be a warm one



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,137 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58



    ECM starting to look quite wet out to +240hrs and beyond as the weather train moves up from the SW. other models not as wet , GEM the nearest to the ECM but still a good bit less. Will see how it develops.







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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The GFS ensembles are beginning to trend ever so slightly cooler again. Nothing really cold on the horizon but perhaps more of a hint of cold zonality and generally more unsettled than charts over recent days. February could turn out to be quite a wet month particularly in western and northern areas with eastern and especially south-eastern areas looking noticeably dryer, althought nowhere nearly as dry as January has been.

    This could be the first properly wet month since either last October or August. December finished very wet but the majority of that rainfall fell over the space of a week over Christmas rather than throughout the month.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,137 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Looking at tonight's ECM12Z and comparing it to the other models would suggest that the 00Z was an outlier. Now more in line with the other output.






  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    The 18z gfs shows much colder weather for the second half of next week . Probably be gone on its next run but I would love if it was onto something.




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The 18z is nice but unfortunately it is an outlier.

    However the mean has started trending cooler again, but do I believe it? We have been here so many times with the ensemble mean trending cooler than average only for it to completely reverse a day or 2 later and the trend is gone back to mild.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,218 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Certainly more in the way of (cold) rain and wind now and the incessant high is gone a bit more South. Certainly looks like after one of the if not the mildest Winters on record Spring will be somewhat cooler as charts show a lot of pent up cool weather. All fantasy of course.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,137 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    ECM colder on the 00Z will see if it repeats in the 12Z later.

    Some wintry showers in Northern counties showing up later next week and widespread frosts if the charts hold. GFS showing the colder air and frosty nights until the weekend on it's last run.






  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,218 ✭✭✭pauldry


    It certainly looks colder than before as the High has been pushed aside. However really severe frosts looks off the menu as wind seems to feature a lot even with the cold so days like yesterday will probably be a feature



  • Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Donegal Ken


    The middle and end of next week needs to watch closely. There are some signals coming from models the last few days of a potential threat of a significant wind storm moving close to the country. The Ecmwf models especially the last 2 days seems to be picking up on this also. Alot of dynamics in play will be a interesting watch.

    The above image are yesterdays 12z Ecmwf model run and todays 00z Ecmwf weather model run.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,310 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Yeah it’s after dropping further south on that run. Something definitely to watch….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,218 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Yep NW would get a battering. I've seen storms on that date trend and go again but the general trend for next week is windy to stormy. Might unbore the Winter somewhat.



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