General British politics discussion thread

breezy1985 · 31-01-2022 8:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118561051#Comment_118561051

Or until the local elections in a few months

devnull · 31-01-2022 8:48pm

https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1488220503068360708

Got to laugh haven't you, they treat the public as fools and continue to mislead people that the full report has been published and that everything is being acted on, despite the fact it was watered down.

beggars_bush · 31-01-2022 9:01pm

Did Johnson just accuse Starmer of not prosecuting Saville while director of the DPP?

breezy1985 · 31-01-2022 9:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118561817#Comment_118561817

But at the same time commenting that Starmer was a disgrace for talking about an open investigation.

Akrasia · 31-01-2022 9:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118561687#Comment_118561687

Easiest investigation of all time takes 'at most, a year' in blatant corruption and whitewashing shocker

They just show themselves to be either incredibly incompetent or nakedly corrupt

devnull · 31-01-2022 9:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118561886#Comment_118561886

Yes, and his own MPs see no problem with it either.

https://twitter.com/JibbaJabb/status/1488230206879973386

pixelburp · 31-01-2022 9:31pm

Here's Starmer's speech for those curious; the decision to quote Thatcher was a bold one. Ostensibly absurd for a Labour leader to do so ... until I realised he wrote that speech intentionally speaking to Tory members and voters watching on. It was all about rule of law, importance of institutions etc. topped with a reminder how Johnson might stack up against the sainted Maggie herself.

I do still find the pantomime of Westminster's public debates to be a vulgar, noisy show, rather than something serious and with rigour; especially with so many squeezed into those ancient seats. But Starmer did well to keep it sober and focused. The adult in the room, while the usual jeering and performances went on around him.

https://youtu.be/JWzLZ-UZ4AY

breezy1985 · 31-01-2022 9:54pm

Panorama doing a "greatest hits" of all Johnson's recent scandals on BBC right now.

A Dub in Glasgo · 31-01-2022 9:58pm

Impressed with that speech, he hit all the right themes

Headshot · 31-01-2022 10:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562173#Comment_118562173

BBC destroyed him but lets face it's very very easy

embraer170 · 31-01-2022 10:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562063#Comment_118562063

Pretty impressive speech.

breezy1985 · 31-01-2022 10:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562224#Comment_118562224

What in god's name was that Unionist MP doing sucking up to him. You could see him hesitate but in the end he said Johnson was honourable.

Didn't realize that Rory Stewart was so strongly anti Johnson.

Mr.Nice Guy · 31-01-2022 10:21pm

It all has the whiff of an establishment cover up. Looks like the investigation rumbles on for a year by which point events take over and allow Johnson to ignore it and move on. Look at how he was able to get through the flatgate scandal, the Owen Paterson rules scandal, the Arcuri scandal, illegally proroguing parliament etc. I see this going the same way. When you're reliant on the Tory party finding a moral compass, you're in a bad way.

I'm wondering what the damage this lot are going to do to the future of the UK. They are a godsend to the nationalist parties.

Loafing Oaf · 31-01-2022 10:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118561817#Comment_118561817

Plus nobody really cares about "work practices at Downing Street." The reason the country is up in arms is Boris and his inner circle were flouting the lockdown rules they were imposing on everybody else, and there's no way of putting that right at this stage.

Patser · 31-01-2022 11:14pm

He's going to get away with it you know.

1922 Committee meeting tonight was the chance for the Tories to stand up to him, but instead it looks like they meekly rowed in behind him.

The Met have said it'll take them less than a year to investigate...... so 11 months then. Months to investigate a fixed penalty offence, after a civil service investigation handed them 500 pages of details, and 300 photos, they'll take less than a year to go Yup, that's a party.

Only real test for Johnson now is Local elections in May. So 4 months to throw out promises, bribes, great news to shore himself up and try blur the Gray report.

Seth Brundle · 31-01-2022 11:48pm

Liz Truss tests positive and possibly has infected much of the front bench given that most if not all of them were maskless today. Still, she won't be able to travel to Ukraine now.

https://twitter.com/OxfordDiplomat/status/1488262172123693059

breezy1985 · 01-02-2022 1:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562642#Comment_118562642

What happened in the 1922 meeting tonight ? What was said ?

retalivity · 01-02-2022 1:34am

I thought i heard the Arciri scandal was coming back aroind again, new evidence has come to light....

Edit, here it is https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/fresh-revelations-about-jennifer-arcuri-affair-threaten-to-damage-boris-johnson

awec · 01-02-2022 2:06am

The people of mid Bedfordshire have a lot to answer for.

Dorries knows once Johnson goes her goose is cooked and she’s a nobody again. It’s the only explanation for these bizarre defences.

Not convinced she was able to drive herself home tonight either.

The walls are closing in fast on Boris. Anyone with aspirations is going to have to think twice before jumping on his wagon.

Patser · 01-02-2022 8:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118563180#Comment_118563180

Johnson was heard shouting I almost died of Covid, so of course I take it seriously, and by the end all the Tory MPs inside were clapping, and Ministers emerging confidently saying there's no hope of the 54 letters to trigger a leadership challenge coming.

Sam Russell · 01-02-2022 11:32am

Quote: Ministers emerging confidently saying there's no hope of the 54 letters to trigger a leadership challenge coming.

Of course that is true until it isn't. And when it isn't true, the knives will be out and Johnson will be toast. Thatcher thought she was beyond challenge, and when challenged thought she could see off the challengers easily. She could not.

ancapailldorcha · 01-02-2022 11:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118563268#Comment_118563268

Not directly related to this but I've seen several Reddit comments blaming everything on Labour. It's Labour's fault for not winning in 2019. It was never Johnson's fault for some of the worst pandemic handling in Europe and Brexit. It wasn't the fault of the people who voted him in knowing full well his history of being able to read up on it for free in an instant. It's absurd that a lot of people are blaming the opposition for what the government does.

breezy1985 · 01-02-2022 11:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118564180#Comment_118564180

It's been happening on here all the time. People are still hoping against hope they can reignite the "useless" and "boring" Starmer narrative too despite everything.

Along with trying to big up his "Teflon" image and hoping that saying enough times that "the public don't care" or this will "all blow over" will make it true

Sam Russell · 01-02-2022 11:56am

Churchill lost the 1945 GE despite being seen as the winner of WW II. Thatcher was voted out despite winning three GEs.

Once the shine goes, it is difficult to get it back. Johnson will soon find this out - when the red wall Tories look at their prospects of re-election, when those Tories who see their main chance of promotion, or their future demotion.

devnull · 01-02-2022 2:03pm

Number 10 have now said that even if Johnson is charged with an offence and fined, they're not going to tell us.

Got to laugh haven't you, they're well and truly playing the public for fools.

Patser · 01-02-2022 3:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118564139#Comment_118564139

True, it can be a house of cards that collapses when the letters come in but at least 1 MP seems to have looked at what happened yesterday and said - What a great leader we have, my reservations were completely unfounded

https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1488438566996824066?s=20&t=WLZ-f58QGVgSrTdiS_tkjA

So instead of a day of shame, in which a disgraced PM resigns or is pushed, he's come out better

Loafing Oaf · 01-02-2022 5:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118565545#Comment_118565545

Seems that guy is not the only one

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/01/wine-fridges-tory-party-kool-aid

Patser · 01-02-2022 8:46pm

1 steps in, and 1 steps out again, learning to dance for Lannigans Ball.

https://twitter.com/peter_aldous/status/1488538531236560902?s=20&t=f4ajxAwHnTAYzqDw1Z7RMw

9th MP to publicly say they don't support Boris - so its not all rosey in the Tory garden

farmerval · 01-02-2022 10:47pm

The crazy thing is that with Boris front bench of total uselessness they can't even do anything to protect him. We are now regularly seeing interviewers nearly shouting at ministers that they can't be serious, see Nadine Dorries last night.

They are all handcuffed to him now, so when he topples into the Thames they will all drown too. The big issue is that the Tories are slowly drowning more every day that Boris stays in Power. Boris terrified of public appearances, a few stage managed hospital visits apart, there's no policy, no direction, no anything of substance.

Every second announcement has to be rowed back on within hours. Surely the honk of disaster on them won't be washed away easily.

devnull · 01-02-2022 11:05pm

Talk of more party attendances from Johnson now.

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-no-10-refuses-to-comment-on-fresh-reports-pm-attended-more-lockdown-parties-12530611

Also Looks like Dominic Cummings has had another say tonight, saying that there are photos that prove Boris was in his flat when parties have been held.

He also was pretty scathing of Johnson, even more than before, on his blog.

“People also underestimate the extent to which he lies to literally everybody literally all day – including to Carrie and about Carrie.

‘Lies’ isn’t even a useful word with him – he lives inside a fog of invention and ‘believes’ whatever he has to in the moment. E.g He both knows he’s lying about the parties AND thinks he did nothing wrong. This doesn’t make ‘sense’ unless you’ve watched him carefully or similar sociopaths.

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