Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Unlike the rest of the people on this thread I don't just look at the media from one side, when looking at world matters like these I look at different media from around the world, I Google translate articles from media outlets in Ukraine, Russia, China, even articles from the middle East so I can make a well informed decision and have an actual opinion not influenced by solely listening to one side of the story.

Youre totally missing the point. Ukraine have been under threat from Russia for nearly a decade now. War has been "imminent" to them every day. Theyve already been invaded, and theyre already in battle in the Donbas, every day. Russia has amassed tens of thousands of troops and weapons systems and vehicles on their border. Russia cyber attacked Ukrainian govt sites. As I already said Ukraine are arming themselves by the day with state of the art weaponry. They dont believe they will be invaded any second now as Russia still is building forces but they accept an invasion is very possible in the near future. There's no narrative here. Ukraine HAS been invaded already and Russia are upping the ante. Nato won't meet their demands so Putin has to react soon. Its very simple stuff.

You're having a laugh, Ukraine doesn't believe there's going to be any invasion either, in fact the president claims he doesn't see the situation as any worse than before.

As I've said before the only way people on this thread argue is by making up their own conspiracies and claiming I believe them. I claimed the story of an invasion being "imminent" and also the story that Russia is planning a false flag attack against their own people is propaganda. Yet people on here ignore that and make up imaginary claims that I'm saying there are no troops on the border.

Something will have to happen for Russia to be "provoked" into invading.

Ukraine are playing it cool. Not flinching. They know the drill.

The Yanks are gagging for something to happen. Their internals will be pushing for something to flog off some military contracts. They are not involved in any major disputes, so it's a bleak time for those military weapons manufacturers.

You must be having a laugh, you seem to hold these agencies up as some sort of Romantic groups that could do no wrong, do you think those intelligence services wouldn't make and hype things up for their own benefit? Like the claims by the CIA that "Russia is currently planning a false flag attack against their own people as a pretext for the invasion".

So no to answer your question I take everything these agencies say with a pinch of salt, these agencies have told some of the biggest lies in recent history, they told me there were WMDs in Iraq and that Saddam Hussein was training Al Qaeda operatives "that could kill hundreds and thousands of innocent civilians in the USA". And even after all of that, I still wasn't prepared for the amount of post invasion deceptions that followed, but now in 2022 I have a hard time believing anything they say especially when it comes to international conflicts.

Only in 2022 could the level of misinformation and disinformation polarising society could you have patriotic republican nutters in America supporting Russia hell bent on defeating American hegemony, left wingers in Ireland defending a super wealthy, authoritarian, right wing, nationalist dictator and then edgelord conspiracy theorists online believing that Russia being behind the largest mobilization of troops in Europe since WW2 is somehow the west being hysterical and spreading propaganda. Putin's troll farms really have done a number on us. The man's a genius.

Ukraine are saying the same as the western hooligans with regard the scale of the buildup. Over 1000,00. and risen to nearly 130,000 this week, so what is there to dispute? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russia-has-nearly-100000-troops-near-its-border-2021-11-13/

You also say Ukraine say Russia want to annex Crimea,....they already did that in 2014...and annexing Donbas equates to an invasion.... I presume the Americans and British are forcing Putin to move troops to Belarus just north of the border of Kyiv too?

That article is from months ago when things first started to surface, the president has changed his opinion since then.

I'm saying that the taking of Donbas is a realistic possibility in the future, while the Invasion of Kiev is extremely unlikely unless the situation changes dramatically. The largely pro Russian population of Donbas are currently fighting for their independence from Ukraine to join Russia, the Russians view the pro Russian speaking population of Donbas and the overwhelmingly pro Russian population of Crimea as their own people and want to make them part of Russia, these are the areas that are under a realistic threat of being invaded by Russia in the future.

Just remember that the USA and UK have told the biggest lies in recent history to gain support for wars, lies that if I had have questioned at the time on boards, you lot would have been saying the same thing you are saying now, that I am a conspiracy theorist who has fell victim to Iraqi propaganda. I'm not claiming there are no troops on the border as some keep saying, what I'm claiming is the same thing both Ukraine and Russia and other countries around the world are claiming, that there is no "imminent invasion" and that Russia is not "currently planning a false flag attack against it's own people as a pretext for the invasion".

Look don't get me wrong, I get it, you are all getting educated on this subject from Western media, you identify strongly with the Americans and British and take their narrative more seriously than anyone else, just remember that Russia, Ukraine, China and middle Eastern countries all have a very different view on the situation for the massive build up of troops, China for example says that the massive build up of troops on the border is defensive and that Russias security concerns should be taken seriously, now I know what your going to say, we cannot believe a word from the Russians or Chinese and it's all propaganda and the only ones we can trust are the United States and the UK who don't partake in any of that behaviour, but even Ukraine claims that the USA and UK are hyping up the situation and the President of Ukraine called on them to stop creating panic over the situation.

Attack you? Where did I attack you? Might I suggest you report the post to the mods so?

Thetruth89 wants the truth but is not prepared to find the truth because he already knows the truth...

I stand behind every single post I've made. You're quite right it is a discussion board and I have contributed to that discussion and my posts are on the record the fact you're too lazy too read back through is your problem not mine.

This is amusing, the has been quite a liberal sprinkling of attack on me by some of your like minded friends here yet they've apparently gone over your head judging by your silence on them. I call someone's post disingenuous because it is and you're offended...

Anyone stop to think that there wouldn't be a huge mass of Russian soldiers on the Ukrainian boarder if the west didn't make such a fuss?

That's right, because they would be in Ukraine already.

I couldn’t be bothered posting anything about the CIA or MI5 controlling the media so why are you lying saying I have?

Anyhow I just presume most reasonably intelligent people have heard of Operation Mockingbird.