Supreme Court Describes Traveller Community as “Vulnerable Minority”

Always amazes me how racism is accepted in Ireland just because its against travellers.

Young traveller men are committing suicide in droves because nobody employs them because of their background, they can't walk into a pub without being stared at, renting a property is out of the question as soon as a landlord hears the accent.

There are bad apples in every community but in Ireland its ok to stain an entire community o travellers because of the actions of a few. In my hometown a young traveller man seems to commit suicide every couple of months but once people find out its a traveller they couldn't care less. It's similar to how the Irish were treated in London or Australia in the past and really sad to see how we're no better than that.

Its a bed they have made for themselves over many years, there are refugees arriving into Ireland fleeing war and famine with no English who have managed to integrate into Irish society, gain education and employment and contribute to society within a few short years, Travellers have been here generations and still act like neanderthals while the tax paying public pisses away millions of euro each year on them.

They have massive levels of criminality for such a small population %, draining Garda and prison resources never mind the victims of their crimes.

Animal cruelty seems to be part of their culture.

I have never seen a halting site that wasn't a total garbage dump and no-go area for normal people.

Circa 80% unemployment

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They claim discrimination but generation after generation do absolutely nothing to take responsibility for their own lives, improve their circumstances and contribute to society, its just blame everyone else and beg for government handouts.

The plight of young traveller men is nothing compared to what is done to young traveller women by their own community.

Taking them out of education at a young age, marrying them off in their mid-teens, turning them into baby factories, the hardship that the traveller community inflicts on the majority of its young women is a real problem. These are not isolated incidents, these are cultural aspects of traveller life that need to change.

Many of the problems that young traveller men have relate to their inability to live up to their misogynistic culture and their wish to reject it.

In the same way that mainstream Irish people needed to reject the toxic culture and heritage of the Catholic Church in order to move on and become a better more open and welcoming place, a similar process of rejecting the toxic masculinity of Traveller culture needs to happen. That comes from within though.

The government will hopefully update and clarify the laws so that Judges have a better idea what the government really intended with the original wording of the laws.

I'm guessing a spot of Tongue in Cheek in your response.

But to respond briefly, the crux of the problem is, the then Government made a commitment with, I presume an understanding such recognition doesn't mean there's going to be one law for ethnic groups and and another for the rest of the population . It's absolutely appropriate to recognise ethnic minorities, its equally appropriate for said ethnic minorities to observe laws that govern an entire population and not assume that ethnic recognition somehow means they can do as they please .

Wether you agree or not, what has happened is a convenient interpretation of what ethnic recognition means by a small cohort . Are you suggesting that has part of the recognition an entirely new and separate statute Book of Laws for the courts to work from should also have been drawn up🙄

At a basic level, if I decide, I like the look of my neighbours field, or a local authority land bank for example. Can I now just go off, buy a mobile home and set up camp on said lands unhindered 😳 seriously 🙄 how long do you think I'd get away with that I wonder . However what this judgement is essentially saying, if I'm a Traveller, off you go and do as you please and sure while your at, bring along a few pony's.

Apologies, as I said I sensed a bit of Tongue in Cheek in your post, I misinterpreted, I apologise

that people break the law and the gards are under resourced? no unfortunately that is true.

or if you mean it's a load of shite that both being the case exists and it should be changed, then i couldn't agree more.

incorrect.

the gards aren't simply not enforcing the law against travelers, they are struggling to enforce the laws across the board.

not being able to enforce the law is not nor even similar to legal immunity, it is simply a failure of the state to do it's job and resource the services of the state properly.

for travelers to have legal immunity from the law, that would mean legislation existing or clauses in all legislation stating that the laws do not apply to travelers.

no such thing exists, ergo they do not have legal or any immunity from the law.

Travellers are of course a vulnerable community - shorter lifespan, higher child mortality, higher suicide levels, poorer mental health - and that's only the health indicators. You can argue the whys, and there are certainly things to address within traveller culture, but excluding them and talking them down all the time ain't the way to address what is a real issue.

there's a new generation of travellers who are staying longer in education, lots of them high achievers, and that's a real, positive change within the community. Attitudes in the settled community need to change too.

those travelers won't be allowed stay there long, they will be moved on ultimately.