Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Poison

Disappearing your own citizens

Torture of your own citizens

Jailing torture of opposition representatives

Crushing opposition through violence

More poison

..............covering up the death's of your own soldiers. (There's something really depraved in that action in my mind)

Of course he's calling for the weaponry, he's following one of the diktums 'never let a good crisis go to waste'. It would also be frankly bizarre if on the one hand he and his Western Imperial allies were whipping up war sentiment to then both look for extra weaponry etc.

As has been stated ad nauseam by those of us with some critical faculties, Putin had no and has no intention of invading....the only way that changes if Biden does something really stupid which given his history is not beyond the realms of possibility.

If anybody is interested in a little reading, here is Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting's article https://fair.org/home/what-you-should-really-know-about-ukraine/

It lays out the backdrop of US goals in Ukraine regarding NATO expansion.

US interference toward regime change to overthrow the Yanukovych government.

US involvement in selecting his replacements.

US involvement with the far right in Ukraine

"Few of the recent wave of Ukraine pieces recount the crucial history given above. Including the truth about US foreign policy goals in the post-Cold War era makes the current picture look a lot less one-sided. Imagine for one second how the US would behave if Putin began trying to add a US neighbor to a hostile military alliance after helping to overthrow its government.

The economic imperative for "opening foreign markets", the NATO drive to push up against Russia, US support for the 2014 coup and the direct hand in shaping the new government all need to be pushed down the memory hole if the official line is to have any credibility. Absent all of that, it is easy to accept the fiction that Ukraine is a battleground between a “rules-based order” and Russian autocracy."

you've done the same thing countless times at this stage.... unhappy you're not getting your way?

Are you suggesting for one minute that I'm responsible for what others post??? Have you ever asked yourself just why other posters are treating you like this??? Could it be that they find your posts offensive too?? I'm going to quote one of your favorite's , back at you ! If the cap fits....wear it !!!! "

Exhibit 2 in the space of a morning...we may not agree on issues here but please do me the courtesy of responding to what I've said and not trotting out spin to suit a narrative.

Changed his opinion? There either is 100k troops there or there isnt. And all info point to there is. Just remember before the Iraq war the US and Uk may have been lying but the general public, analysts and experts and European governments werent convinced. Thats not the case this time. You're tunnel visioning in on one specific quote and building everything else around it. It like someone putting their hand in your pocket to steal your wallet, whilst at the same time hes telling you "nothing to see here, youre not being robbed ".

I'm not sure Russia will go for all Ukraine, or Kyiv or just east Ukraine. But the last time I checked a Russian incursion into the Donbas, Crimea or any other region to annex it is an invasion. You called it as such there. So there's nothing farcical or hysterical or incorrect about the claims of an invasion then.

You are certainly well guided questioning the narrative and seeking out coverage from multiple angles and not just our own western media. No doubt the msm is flawed and not always fully reliable with it's agendas and political affiliations but just remember, despite this the likes of Russian and Chinese media is completely state owned and as such extremely unreliable.

I mean, a distinctly anti US website is going to have an abundance of anti US articles...

But hey, lets entertain this for a second.... say for example what you referenced is all above board..

Then why are Russian state media altering western news reports to be shown to the Russian population with a different spin on what was actually said? What is there need to, if they are already "in the know"?

https://youtu.be/TdH9oMVL1Tc

The fact the article leaves out the Budapest agreement from 1994 is quite telling.

Cannot agree that no one was questioning the WMD claims at the time. Do you have evidence that 90% of people believed it. At the time, i met no one who believe any of Blairs claims. the narrative was that Thatcher had induced Bush (Senior) to start the first engagement in Iraq and this was now pay back time, Bush was going into Iraq and needed UK support . The BBC , as i remember, ran a regular narrative questioning the claims. Agree that the Tory opposition were happy to go along with supporting the US - whether they believed in WMD or not.

This is absolute rubbish and a rewriting of history, yes I can show you that all of the polls at the time show that the vast majority of people in the West believed the claims if you want? I would have thought this was common knowledge at this stage, not surprising since the media went along with it so much

It shows the majority of people in the UK supported the Iraq war but ten years later only half of that number say they supported the war at the time, it should also be noted the majority of people who were opposed to the war were not opposed because they disbelieved the WMD claims, next to no one believed that although most people today would probably say they did.

Oh good god, "it's being flipped in the media by Russian propaganda". Does the president himself clear this up for us in the video? Or who exactly clears this up for us?

The president himself seems to have made himself pretty clear in the interview, no matter what spin western media tries to throw on it about Russian propaganda.

Look I get it, you all look up to the Americans and British, you identify strongly with them, you trust them completely and can't believe a word from the Russians, the Chinese, even the Ukrainians. Even when the Ukrainian president clearly states his beliefs on what's going on you then go to Western media who then tell you it's just Russia propaganda don't listen to it.

There's a common cycle and belief system on this thread, that anything the Russians, Chinese or even Ukrainians say we cannot believe a word of it, it's all propaganda, the only ones we can trust are the Americans and British as they don't partake in any of that behaviour.