The Joe Rogan Experience Podcasts

I haven't watched any of Peterson since his return from illness but up to then he was a fairly middle of the road type character with some centre left ideas. Being against forced speech by the government should not be a controversial position to hold. Neither should trying to add a bit of balance and nuance to the endless gender debates. Yet, we live in a world where stating that some women don't want C suite jobs and prefer to raise a family seems to imply you are the second coming of Hitler.

It's all gone a bit mad Ted, if you ask me.

Well he's a firm believer in freedom of speech and also that women should have the freedom to do whatever job they want including raising a family.

That's a centre left idea? Fair enough if it iscentre left, I would have just assumed they're absolutely neutral ideas.

Fair to say he sells his wares to a right wing market in the American context.

No chance of that. They have gotten Joe to give that message of contrition and he will continue to make them money. I don't think Young or Mitchell thought Joe was going to be cancelled, they just wanted to make a point, which has been heard. I can't recall Joe being that controversial outside of his covid beliefs so this will all blow over when the pandemic finally disappears.

Fair enough. It's easy to take for granted the advances that the left fought hard for in the past. The way people go on about the dreaded left, you'd swear it was always and forever a force for evil in the world. I doubt Peterson gives much credit to the the left.

They've already removed 40+ of his podcasts, 100s of hours of other podcasts, 100s of hours of stand up comedy etc.

So get cancelling!

Not too sure about that. He seems to really value those things. He's just very vocal in his distain for the far left, especially the Lenin/Marxist ideals where someone's identity is stripped back to what particular group they belong to. Again, this is quite a classical Liberal idea where the individual is an entity by themselves. His stance on identity politics (on both sides of the divide i might add) is probably where he gets the most push back. Again, though, a lot of what he says is reasonable I.e. treat people with respect but don't try to force your ideals on anyone else or compell them to use certain words under threat of legislation.

Maybe he's gone off the deep end lately, maybe not. I can't say as I haven't listened to the most recent podcast.

The right of aristocrats to vote was a given. The right of normal men to vote, was a radically liberal idea ( through I doubt the term "left" was used back then). Then the right of women was a radically liberal idea, then allowing people like non-whites to vote was radically liberal. Then more recently allowing divorce was radically liberal and decriminalisation of the gays was radically liberal. Then things like caring about the environment was for radical liberals who wear sandals and knit their own muesli

Somehow the liberals are always the gobshytes. Then the ideas become mainstream and people forget the liberals were right years ahead of the rest of the population and move on to ridiculing the left for whatever they're up to at the moment.

I'd bet my bottom dollar that Peterson and Rogan spend a good portion of their 4 hour mutual masterbation session, agreeing with each other about how ridiculous the left is.

I suppose it depends on ones definition of 'left' really. I've always associated the left with more Liberal views on society.