2022 Irish EV Sales

2,714 sales in Jan22 vs 977 in 21 (Electric only) from what I can see. Can't believe the Leaf sales, the 0% is attractive for some.

Ioniq 5 459

Leaf 304

EV6 302

ID.4 258

Niro 170

Lot of people being duped into buying a leaf 40 SVE on 0% PCP. They advertise agressively. I had to stop my dad buying one!

56 Taycan sold in January is very impressive. Overall EVs definitely on the rise, need the charging infra to pick up at the same pace

Nice chart !

Leaf is a capable car, ideal for city dwellers and the fact they offer 0% finance make it attainable and attractive for those that generally don't buy new cars. second hand market is screwed at the moment so this is worth a look for them.

2 years in and i still have no regrets and make the same choice today. What i want is outta of my price range, leaf met all my requirements except two. Wish the onboard AC charge was better and obviously would prefer CCS fast charge.

Well I’d sooner buy a Nissan or Volkswagen rather than those other budget brands.

Badge snobbery is a very weird thing and in no way reflects the actual quality of the cars.

My comments refer to the constant bashing, it is just unreal on here. L40 is a solid car for city/suburb dwellers. Leaf has a market and with 0% offer with availability makes it very attractive. If someone's requirements exceed what the leaf can offer then they should not be looking at it not talking about it and wipe from memory. In the case of your dad yes leaf40 is just not suitable (I don't advocate leaf 60 as if you can afford that then perhaps stretch budget to choose something else).

Also Chademo ain't dead until nissan discontinue the leaf, yes it's no longer a go forward fast charge solution for new cars in Europe but ain't dead yet. So the haters or those that can afford Id4, Tesla's etc that turn their nose at the leaf need to get comfortable at the fact that chademo chargers are here to stay in this country for this decade at least. I rarely need to use them anyways.

As a personal note, I was a hairs breath in choosing ionic but went with the leaf and as said don't regret it. Today possibly would choose again due to the fact of a 0% offer as what I want to get is just out of my price range and the leaf fits my requirements anyways.

I never once fast charged my L40 in 63k km. Haven't done so with the ID4 either. Fast charging issues are not a problem for many buyers. L40 is not without its upsides either - it's significantly quicker off the line than all/most of the newer EVs, the software actually works (unlike VW and potentially EV6), the charge timers work (unlike the VWs - how are these still not working a year later?!) and the comparative hit to range from cold weather is less than VWs anyway. Plus it's got actual buttons for many controls (touchscreens are so bloody unsafe!) and it's cheap to service (seems the Koreans are taking the mickey on this with their EVs).

Don't get me wrong - I'd prefer to be in my ID4 rather than the Leaf - but I do miss some aspects of it! And if your budget is €30k, not €40 - €50k, and you want a new EV now (not 2023) you could do a lot worse! Bonus of 0% finance too apparently.

The city factor was mentioned by a prior poster. I do 50-60k km per year, slighlty less over the pandemic. I did that one year in a leaf 24 btw too so I'm well versed in fast charger usage. I needed 9 FCP stops on my longest journey in the l24, thankfully charging was free then. Between myself and herself we've had a leaf 24, two ioniq 28s and a tesla model S.

The reason the leaf is still sellling so well is at least in part attributable to ready supply, cheap finance deals, and brand recognition. In terms of drivetrain it is a 2013 car with a frock on.

Similar to the Kona in 2019, ready supply availability is the biggest factor. There are more people wanting to buy an EV than there are EVs available for delivery right now. Once better options than the kona came out, the kona sales dropped

Its reliable though. The latest and greatest isnt always the greatest. The EV landscape is littered with drivetrain issues. The Leaf is by and large rock solid, so I wouldnt knock it.

Its about public perception really - a buyer will think

"oh they've been making Leafs for years so they should be fine"

Did you get the battery sorted eventually or did you have to sell at a loss with the fault.

Did some playing around with the motor stats, here's the EV sales since 2011

Looks like as of today there's over 20,000 EVs on the road, double the number at the end of 2020

Reliable to do what though, lose SOH?

They say electric cars will become more attractive when the prices fall and that they expect this to happen over the next few years, but is the EV6 suddenly going to go from 50k down to 35k? I find that hard to believe.

What do we think?

They are already quite attractive if people do their sums and realise total cost of ownership is lower.

From €38K for a 1.6 manual.

I can see €43K for a GT line which I would imagine is comparable spec wise to the GT Line EV6? Not sure if that's automatic from the quick look.

Still going to be slower, louder and cost more to run either way so over three years of ownership I'd imagine the costs would be similar but a more pleasant drive in the EV6.

I think there's a few realities in the car industry that are going to make the whole "1 million EVs by 2030" thing unrealistic

For that to happen, EVs would need to be well below €20k new I think.

Profit margin at that level is going to be razor thin, and car manufacturers have been pushing more profitable SUVs for years and also trying to get more people onto finance so they keep buying new cars. They're just not interested in pushing budget mobiles to the masses when they can sell high margin luxury cars to a few and make as much money

On top of that, car sales in general just don't add up to 1 million cars in 10 years. So unless the government is going to scrap VRT and VAT on car sales, we won't have a million EVs by 2030

I think the main thing to focus on is percentages. We're up to 10% BEV sales from less than 5% in 2020 and 3% in 2019

Seems to be almost doubling every year, so I imagine we could see 15-20% BEV sales in 2022 and 30-40% by 2023 depending on manufacturer supplies

Well in the UK last year when the EV grant was reduced, suddenly Kia came out with a lower spec E-Niro that still qualified

So the price for the EV6 won't suddenly drop for the same spec, but there will be lower spec versions available most likely

I think when they same prices fall, it's more that we'll get budget cars like a Hyundai i10 or i20 in electric version

The S was perfectly reliable, just a desire to upgrade the MCU - the rest were improvements or maintenance for wear and tear. Tires, suspension etc. I never had the door handles issue or any of the other "known bugs" and that car was on 190k when I sold it. Not many leafs get to 190k with 7% degradataion!

Market leaders in degradation, slow DC charging on the wrong standard, and inefficiency.

It was indeed on its way out, but would be replaced under warranty if it breaks.

"I know you just wont be able to bring yourself to say the Leaf is a decent EV for its time and price though!"

The leaf was a decent EV for its time and price, in 2012 but time has not been its friend. Anyone buying the current version needs their head examined.