Fake meat

There's probably horse meat mixed in with it.

Wait and see Henry Street in a few years. Soylent Green, last of the Soylent Green there love, three lumps for a fiver.

This is the man to contact. Janusz Wojciechowski

Interesting jump from a supermarket selling a product to the EU phasing out meat by 2050. And this all went on in your head on a visit to the shops?

I wouldn’t touch it, even if I was a veggie. I’d have the odd veggie meal, and part of me thinks I should go veggie, but then, bacon.........

You have to try it at least once, otherwise how would you know if it's any good or not.

Actually I did try it once, as a replacement for beef mince for a bolognese. Now I'm the type of person that will eat most things, olives, avocados, things a lot of people have an aversion to, but I though it was gross. Like some vegan sausages I tried recently, uggh.

My thoughts are that 'substitute's' don't work. Maybe there is some way to incorporate quorn into a meal where it isn't a substitute that would have it eatable, but I dunno how to do that.

Obviously they'll never phase out meat but people eating less meat would be better for the planet given the land usage it takes to create meat compared to vegetables and pulses etc that we can eat.

I mean with the population growing and more and more of the natural world being polluted and destroyed we're not going to get the world in better shape without making a few changes and sacrifices.

Everyone in the media says not to eat meat and to eat highly processed fake meat? Any examples of this? Everyone in the media really?

How is fields occupied with crops better than fields occupied with livestock?

And what's going to happen to the animals? Will we keep some sheep in the zoo? Or let them roam wild?

Because you need a lot less land to live off crops than you do for livestock and their feed, therefore you could give a lot of land back to nature.

The animals are slaughtered anyway so you could just put them out of their misery.

It's good to see the usually suspects in the vegan thread!

Even if we reduced our population by 50% and carried on consuming everything as we do the planet would be f**ked in no time. I guess we need to change how we consume and eat if we are to find a way of living harmoniously with the Earth. Will never happen though unfortunately.

I just had 57kg of the finest organic beef delivered this evening. I even knew the heifer it came from

You can't beat it.

Butchered by a guy who does meat for supervalu so he knows how to get the best out of the beast.

Worked out at €6.14/kg

Got an organic lamb before Christmas for 6.40/kg

Well, when you say you're 'healthier' that's fine. Perhaps you are.

But that all depends on what you were eating before.

If you were eating processed meat, then you've given up processed meat, so that's good.

But, you are not healthier than people who only eat lean unprocessed meat.

For example my diet is 35 to 40% combo of lean meat and dairy, and the rest 60% is veg.

So, there is noting under the sun unhealthy about that. So your diet isn't 'better' than mine.

If anything your's is worse, because you are eating a subset of what I eat.

And another way to look at it is: my 60% diet is 'vegan'.

To be fair she never mentioned her diet being better than anyone else's. It's mad how insecure people get around the subject of eating less animal products, bragging about having lovely bacon for breakfast or buying a whole cow for the freezer etc. No one is taking your meat away from you!

People wouldn't have a problem with these if they weren't trying to replace, but instead be an alternative. If I want a beef burger, I want beef in it, not not-beef. I've tried a few, and each of them have been absolutely horrible, nothing like beef and anyone that says they are are talking out their hoop.

Be careful of Apache, I got caught out by them. Depending on the staff, any pork products will be replaced with a pork substitute. They won't tell you this in store, but it happens in any store where there's a halal follower. I knew the second I bit into the porkball that it wasn't pork (or at least contained some part of a pig). Disgusting carry on, if it was the other way around there would be war.

I'll never not eat meat. It's 50% of my diet. It tastes too good and the pig is a magical animal, most of my meat consumption comes from them. I'm also not into "fancy" beef, like Angus, horrid aftertaste. Sick of people replacing good decent Irish beef with alternatives that taste worse, but charge more... makes no sense. We have the best meat in the world here (albeit, our ribs need some work, but that's most likely down to the chefs). Why do we want to change/replace it?!

We (Ireland) produce 0.1% of the worlds pollution, and 0.35% is agriculture. I was horrified to find out that forest only covers 11.2% of our landmass. We need to change that asap.

https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/ireland

I like to think of it as an alternative source of protein.

Good. But we know that if certain groups shout loud enough, it will affect us. Meat seems to be getting it bad lately (in the last few years anyway), I'm just defending my food!

Yes I alluded to this earlier. Substitution is often used a a weight loss technique and it hardly ever works long term. Fake Sugar is about the only substitution that I know of that can work but only in limited circumstances and done the right way.

Sounds disgusting. A point I would make is commercial vegan products have the potential to be as unhealthy as anything else. It all depends what's in it. Bad fats for one. Palm Oil is 'vegan' used in many products but it's an unhealthy fat.

A plus for lean meat is that it's satiating. Which implies it keeps you satiated for longer, meaning you eat less and if you eat less you're less likely to have a weight problem. The ironic think is starchy carbs which are 'vegan' have the opposite effect, because being overweight is not good for your health.