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Remote working - the future?

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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Wynter Prehistoric Farm


    My kids (now aged c. 25) have used comms their whole life over console and PC. They dont see the big divide between office and home, working at home is just an extension of their life to date. I expect that in 10 years or so when they're in their mid 30s and that generation is starting to make decisions, the concept of permanent office working will go the same way as shell suits, something to be laughed at in a "how did we ever do that" kind of way. Firms who dont adapt will die, or at best will only attract those who cant get jobs elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,253 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    OI, leave out the jabs at my clothing style please.

    But seriously, is work JUST going to be about the Zoom calls for a new generation? No water cooler chats, no lunchtime gossip, no impromptu lunches or sessions? Honestly, I'm glad I'm approaching retirement age.



  • Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Young_gunner


    You mean work just being about work? sounds ideal to me! :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭lapua20grain


    I have no interest in conversation over water coolers or socialising with people I work with, I have friends for that. For me work is work not office politics or clowns that shite out of them about some English football club. I work from home and am delighted i don't have to deal with fkwits any more.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes, it is. Certainly very much the case in our place. The days of being in the office to ‘brainstorm round the whiteboard’ or ‘offline chats by the water cooler’ are gone. Its about online real time collaboration now, which is in many ways more effective and productive. It’s the younger people that don’t want to come back and haven’t shown their face once even though we have been able to for weeks.

    I think that middle upper management have no idea of the comfort that young people have with engaging with the workplace through technology.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭✭C3PO


    Funny, but our place (Financial Services) is exactly the opposite - the younger cohort have been the 1st to return to the office! They are very aware of the increased learning available in an office environment and most of them don’t have proper facilities to work comfortably remotely!

    I may be proved wrong but I still believe that a hybrid solution will become the norm rather than full remote working!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,150 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    and i'm sure you will be sorely missed by all that interacted with you aswell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,150 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    yes despite protestations to the contrary personally i believe its the new to work cohort that miss out the most by not being in an office environment and the ones that do spend time in the office will overtake those who go the remote route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,062 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Very singular line of thinking tbh

    The most effective at their jobs with the best outcomes and outputs and relationships will be those that succeed. Not those hiding away in their desk in the office just because they unfortunately are rent sharing somewhere or lack space at home.

    Being in a hot desk in the city doesn't equate skills or actual presence.

    I understand that concept is foreign to people who probably spent an absolute fortune buying a home within the city environs and live ten minutes walk from their office. They have a particular view point and I know a couple of them.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I’m data and tech so probably a different mindset. Literally no one is showing their face. The teams are also multinational so everyone is on zooms every day anyway even when in the office. Had our first serious conversation with management in UK today about closing done the office completely and going full remote. It was considered that there would be no impact on productivity.



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  • Not really ideal. A lot of people find their life partners through work, as in real face-to-face contact. That’s where humans best interact. Doing most of your living virtually is only half living.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That’s where some humans best interact not all. I’d suggest not even most. Some, like me, work as efficiently as possibly so can close the laptop and go to the sports club and hang out with family and friends, none of which are from work. Much prefer it that way and always have.

    this thread clearly has both ends of that scale



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,150 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    You are misunderstanding my post, I believe that people who are new to the workplace would be better served at the start of their careers being around people and learning that way rather than starting off in their bedroom.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You’re right if you believe that work will remain the same over coming years. I don’t believe it will. I believe that this is the beginning of the end for the office, and that young people, currently in school and college, and more familiar with technology than we will ever be, will be utterly resistant to the idea of going into an office regularly, when they can interact just as effectively from anywhere. And likely equally resistant to the idea of a 9-5 five day week.

    IMO, within a decade or so, we’ll be remote working a four day week (for those that can obviously, but with driverless transport and automated shops and warehouses etc I think there’ll be far fewer people who have to be somewhere at a given place and time).

    And we’ll be better for it



  • Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Young_gunner


    Totally agree with this - I don't know a single person in their 20s now who is yearning for the office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,150 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    That's where we fundamentally disagree I don't think you can interact as effectively if you are fully remote and someone who has always worked remotely will lack those interpersonal skills.

    Anyway time will tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,150 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus







  • just taking my GP as an example of a person who has been largely working remotely from his home during the pandemic, no comparison in the service provided. Also others I have been dealing with in various companies have been all at sea with communications during this period and various services have fallen through due to poor communication by people who have no immediate direct access to each other. People will have to up their game greatly for this to all work.





  • Anybody fancy their airline pilot working remotely? They could be just as efficient as if they were aboard the airplane. ✈️ If one believes in total remote working, this is the ultimate. Pilots could have breaks away from the laptop set-up during cruising, with text alerts to return to workstation during an emergency, and cut down on working hours by working smarter. Your surgeon or nurse could do similar with modern robotics. In fact it could be that nobody had to interact with you as a patient if enough A1 and mechanisms were put in place.

    Yeah, I’m being a tad tongue in cheek, but I feel a few would seriously like it to go pretty much all this way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    It will be interesting to see in a year or 2 when the dust settles from covid what way companies and employers will go with WTF. I am glad it's here. Sadly back in the office full time again but that's just until the end of the year with the role I am doing at moment. Be interesting what way my employer goes with WTF. (CIVIL SERVICE). I reckon 2 days at home 3 in the office. I preferred WFH and have been doing that grand for last year and a half full time until September gone. But I know it doesn't suit eve2either way. It's the balance that needs to be hit right. I think people in private sector in certain companies will be the lucky ones as they might and are going to be allowed work 100% from home if they want to.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭lapua20grain


    You would be one of the type i would avoid like the plague The people I interact with are based in NALA, EMEA and APAC and I deal with them on purely a professional level no more. You might like listening to and talking mindless drivel i dont. It's not a creche it's a workplace.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think you are looking at it through your own experience. The 15 year olds currently going through school will be so grounded in technology that a ‘bricks and mortar’ office life will be completely against their way of thinking. Add in AI which is expanding every year at a staggering rate, at least in my world, and you are looking at a very different working environment. What exactly that looks like, who knows, but I’d be 100% confident that white boards and pens and water coolers will not be part of it.

    you are right that the nature of interpersonal skills and the way that people interact with each other will change.

    There are also of course bigger issues at stake here, like universal basic income, as AI takes over many jobs and the basic requirement for many more is a technology and data background



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,013 Mod ✭✭✭✭GoldFour4


    Broad statements like this ruin the credibility of a point in my opinion. It's totally dependent on sector etc. Sure, IT sectors could be happy to continue working fully remote but it's not everyone. I'm in my 20's in professional services and internal surveys indicate that well 70% + of people in my age bracket want to come in a a day or two a week moving forward and at a company wide level it is over half.

    Internal company surveys have indicated that a hybrid approach is much more popular than fully remote in our case too. I'm not of the view that people can't function properly wfh like some posters on this thread but I do think there is a lot more of a desire for some exposure to the office than others are giving credit for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,685 ✭✭✭storker


    I don't recall anyone saying anything that even approached that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    It's going to be hard for some people who love interaction in an office. But realistically they might be better suited to another industry now. At least they will need to focus on their personal lives a bit more, make sure to socialise, meet friends, have hobbies, white collar workers are going to need to make changes if they're going to be at home all week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,032 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    These would be the same15 year old who were, by and large, desperate for schools to open again so they could see their friends and stop doing remote learning from their bedrooms?


    My main company is now asking people to come in 2 days a week, and apparently have an issue with some recent grads who are nervous it because they'll have to meet people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,150 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    dont flatter yourself, you wouldnt get to interact without an appointment and i doubt you would get one 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,150 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    sounds like a scene from ready player one to be honest, it wont make for a healthy society.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    What kind of office work are you doing? It seems amazing that you have to be physically there every day for the rest of the year!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Young_gunner


    School is quite different from a workplace though - it's apples and oranges.



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