Russia - threadbanned users in OP

That time the Syrians shot down a Russian military surveillance aircraft killing all on board....

Russia Blamed the Israelies at the time

You, Gatling and Yurt have quite a method going on here...Read a post, ignore the post reword the post to suit your narrative and then reply. At least you didn't deny your inconsistency....Progress!

There your posts , nothing edited or reworded .

Spew keyboard diarrhea and now your complaining about it ....

Maybe find a different topic

did you even read what was in your own link and honestly say that's an unbiased history of Ukraine? need to cop on if you did.

I don't normally reply to people who hurl abuse......'thick...'spewing nonsense'...

It's touching that you think this is about Ukraine. Ukraine is a sideshow in a broader game of geopolitics between the US and Russia, it's amusing looking at how little relevance the EU are, despite the 'imminent' invasion on their door step, they weren't even invited to the talks, left scrabbling at the door looking to be let in. This of course is part of a broader strategy by the US to downplay its relationship with Europe as they focus their efforts on AUKUS, with China in mind of course.....Ukraine is a proxy war game, caught in inter-imperial rivalry. Putin has no intention of invading, the US know that, the UK knows that and it's astounding that so many here can't see this...one doesn't need to be a geopolitical expert to realise this or to 'pretend to be edgy and think you see geopolitics in its true light and everyone else cant' as you rather disparagingly put it.

No one is ignoring the history of Russia - there are plenty who have banged that drum here, the majority on this thread are of that ilk, a handful of us have sought to rebalance the discussion and to point to the rank hypocrisy of US imperialism lecturing anyone about rights and democracy.

As for your assertion, 'No one doubts the crimes and lies America and the UK have committed over their history' - this is my issue with people like you - on the face of it this is a reasonable point, but it's utterly disingenuous - 'history'? Right now, yesterday, today tomorrow, next week, the sh!t is being/will be bombed out of Yemen by the Saudi war machine dropping British made munitions and part-financed by the US - where is the hysterics in the media, where's BOJO landing in Yemen, where's Biden calling for an end to the bombing and the killing?....And let's remember if you think Russia has a poor record on human rights, Saudi Arabia won't be topping any Amnesty International pro-human rights list any time soon! While we're here not talking about 'history' let's not mention the US-financed (in part) and tolerance nay support for the IDF destroying Palestinian Settlements and mass killing.....Shall we go on?

I've no time for Putin, I've no time for the oligarchs and the other gangsters that feasted on the carcass of the collapsed states in Russia and Eastern Europe - though they weren't alone, many from the West encouraged by their governments went and screwed those states financially...A certain D Ganly and Latvia springs to mind...but that's another discussion for another day..

Yeah, but you've nothing, right?

I find this is perhaps the most irritating aspect of Boards... grown men showing themselves to be incapable of a civilised discussion, resorting instead to hurling insults toward each other in defence of their stance/opinion on a matter. Page upon page of the same old diatribe.... which seems to be a common theme in so many threads on here now.

In this instance none of us are mind readers no matter how many clues we think we are in possession of. Likewise none of us can presume the thoughts or potential actions of a devious man like Putin. The same applies to Biden.

You'll save yourselves a whole lot of frustration and a sore keypad finger by simply waiting to see if something does happen. Then you've actually got something tangible to talk (argue) about.

But then @MFPM can't have their **** over their self proclaimed superior geopolitics and Putin topless fishing picture

@Harryd225 our resident disinformation specialist can't dodge any tangible evidence of the current Russian disinformation campaign, and spew a **** nappy full of Vietnam and Iraq facts pulled from wikipedia

Or @BluePlanet taking as gospel an anti western media site, with it's own biases, all because it's based in the US so that gives it credibility...

I think you response sums up the point he was making...

What a silly pointless post, making up stuff because you're incapable to responding to anything I've actually said.

Indicate one post where I've painted Russia as a 'poor victim', just one...I'll be right here waiting!

These people are so brainwashed and they are completely convinced of an invasion they are unable to take a sober look at the situation and have fell victim the panic the Ukrainian president accused the US of creating.

Realistically the situation goes like this, that Russia are putting all those troops on the border as a warning to Ukraine over their strengthening ties with the USA, this does not mean an invasion is imminent, the situation would have to escalate severely for that to happen. The same thing would and has happened if Russia was getting too close to one of America's neighbors, America would feel threatened and would also react in the same way.

I along with the Ukrainian president don't believe the American narrative that the troops are there for an "imminent invasion" and that Russia is "currently planning a false flag attack against their own people as a pretext for the invasion".

Try and put yourself in Russias shoes for just a moment, If America was building increasingly close ties with Mexico, ties which would very much strengthen the Russian position if a future world conflict broke out, then the United States would rightfully so want this to stop for their own security. They would not let Russia strengthen it's security at the cost of their own.

I patiently wait now to be labelled a conspiracy theorist who has fell victim to Russia propaganda. I am simply taking a realistic non Hollywood look at the situation.

eh wrong. I think you'll find all of Europe is on the same page here, including the French and Italians and the eastern Europeans like Poland. Ukrainian citizens themselves are taking up arms. Germany are too concerned about their gas supplies and nord stream pipeline and Russia know it. This "pantomime" as you call it exists solely in your head.