Loki - Disney+ (***Spoilers***)

Have to say, I'm stunned by the reaction to this. I binged eps 2-6 after watching the first one when it debuted (only because I heard there was an AoS link in it).

I watched 5 episodes this week and came on here expecting universal acclaim. Not only was this an excellent TV show, I personally thought this was one of the strongest entries to come out of the MCU.

It was so good, I was actually okay going into the final with the expectation that I was going to get Ralph Bonnered and give us a variant Loki as the big bad, but the way they went all in with "He Who Remains", and the multiverse stuff was just the icing on the cake.

Hats off to the writers as well, they did an extraordinary job of taking the complex Richards origin story breaking it down into something that was very digestible.

I thought Owen Wilson was excellent in it but over all it was ok ,like Homelander said Falcon and Winter Soldier was utter crap and i enjoyed Wandavision.

This show was a strange one for me - I liked it all especially that it introduced Kang except that it had Loki as the hero.

He had a great arc in the movies and I thought the idea of resetting him to a villain would be fun but this just made him a good guy again in the first hour without the journey the had in the films.

Because I was a bit meh on it and had been told I needed to finish it before seeing What If… and No Way Home I binged it and as is way if I binge I don’t remember details properly. Can someone remind me ? The TVA deals with timelines and try to ensure an alternate timeline doesn’t branch out but is this the same as the multiverse? For example, did the the TVA destroy the Toby MacGuire Earth and in the season finale Loki restored it? I don’t remember any connection to What If… and in No Way Home Dr. Strange knows there is a multiverse.

The audience perspective is what matters not the passage of time on screen. It isn’t the same at all.

and why bother rebooting him as a bad guy if they were just going to put him back the to the same way he was before dying.

he is a great villain and at the very least they could have done a show where he is up to mischief if. It outright villainy.

and the events don’t seem to have had an impact on the MCU - most likely Kang will be confined to this series

It was a great series just Loki doesn’t beling there as the hero.

I very nearly tapped the spoiler.

As I said I didn’t read the spoiler.

fact remains though that despite the TVA elements of the story being good it is a waste of Loki

he needs to be up to no good, not up to good

I know you didn't read the spoiler, my point was we should all by now know not to question what will or won't be key to future shows/movies - especially not to let it impact your viewing or assessment of a show. Who would have seen Ant Man & the Wasp being such a key driver of how they ended the Infinity Saga?

I also disagree on Loki, he is at his best when we do not know where he stands, what his motives are, and we see his internal conflict - I find him a pretty boring and bland character when he is just 'up to no good'.

Yeh but I still have questions about their reach, like did the TVA have authority over Arishem? There are also pretty big holes like if Sylvie was a deviation why wasn't her branch clipped at birth instead of well into her childhood. Tbh I think Marvel have rushed into the TV shows both in terms of they they affect the MCU as a whole but also in terms of the writing.

That doesn't seem to have much to do with my point that I disagree with your opinion that he needs to be 'up to no good'. I don't think the show nailed him as his high points in the MCU, like Ragnarok, but it was far better than when he was a pure bad guy.

Your post claimed that he is best when he is 'up to no good', which is what I responded to. The fact you've now moved the goal posts and want to discuss whether they hit my preference of a grey character doesn't change the fact that it has nothing to do with your OP or my response.

I've already agreed they didn't hit the grey character as well they have in the past but it is tough to near impossible do when they have an obvious big bad. It is like saying there isn't a sense of danger in most Marvel shows/movies because we know the title character is very unlikely to die. I much prefer the TVA story arch, knowing Loki will likely do the right thing, than a less impactful story where we got a more grey Loki.