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Can girls make the first move in this day and age?

  • 14-01-2022 11:23pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 14 sure_look_it


    I've always been passive with fellas. My mom and older sisters would say things like "if a man wants you, you'll know" etc, when I was growing up. Thing is, it's 2022. Part of me really wants to strike up a conversation with one lad in particular. But another part of me says men love the chase, so I never do. I tell myself if a fella isn't chasing he must have zilch interest. Is this some Victorian thinking or is it true I have to sit there looking pretty and praying someone I want wants me and makes this known?


    And yeah, there's one fella in particular I'm thinking of. Have caught him looking at me once or twice in each lecture (Final year college students) and he volunteered to send me notes twice when I was missing lectures. Yet he's never approached me in real life. Just a hi if we run into each other on campus. And we matched on Tinder once. And he's messaged me for notes three times. Part of me wants to sit beside him and flirt. But another part of me says that's desparate and I have to wait and assume he's uninterested if he doesn't approach.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    Yes, girls should make the first move too if they have a interest in a fella, don't see anything wrong with it, there are plenty of shy men out there too ,actually don't think i would be with my wife today if she didn't make the first move🙂



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No waiting around, life is too short.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    It takes two, to the pave the road to pound town, and it won't happen if neither of you make the first move!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,408 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Take some control in your life and go for it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,834 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Girls do nowadays.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    Well you know, the way things are going i think lasses will have to make the first move cause with the atmosphere these last few days i reckon most guys would be too wary to even look at a woman nevermind ask her out😐️

    (my twopenceworth)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Only girls can make the first move nowadays, young lads are too frightened of being labelled as a predator, misogynist, or a violent toxic male for asking someone to dance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,612 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Just YES. If you like someone, make a move .



  • Registered Users Posts: 30 aisling0800


    I'm surprised that the younger generation in Ireland is still shackled by traditional gender norms like the man asking woman out, men shouldn't cry etc..

    I know gender norms aren't purely cultural and are influenced to some degree by biology, but things like these are silly. The Scandinavians seem to be much more egalitarian when it comes to this stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14 sure_look_it


    Yeah.


    Part of me wants to throw caution to the wind and flirt and see what happens. Rejection would hurt but I think I'll take a sure fire no and some embarrassment over sitting pretty and hoping something happens.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭lucalux


    Honestly if you really like someone, it's worth the effort/fear that goes along with asking them out.

    I'm a woman who has used this tactic over the years, but I would often fight with myself because of the standardised methods of courtship - if I approach a guy - does he think I'm easy ( fairly common) or does he think i'm desperate ("commonish") so it's not as egailtarian as you might expect it to be, people are much more judgemental on how a woman approaches a man as opposed to a man approaching a woman etc

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭lucalux



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭Zak Flaps




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭irishguitarlad


    Here in Spain it's very bad, women never approach men. I find that it's better in Ireland and you're probably right in saying that in Scandinavia it's better again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Fellas will be terrified of smiling at a lady the way things are going



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,948 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Your not wrong. Just look at the news the last few days. Every man, especially if he's walking behind you, is out to kill or rape you.

    It's horrendous what we are putting up with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Yes but do Spanish women mind being approached ?

    Irish women don't, this was never America where guys randomly ask women out on dates



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    I've regularly been chatted up by women.


    Then again. I'm a ride. It's only natural



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,700 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Men cant make a move these days for fear of being called out by the me too movement. A fella would want to be crazy to do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,303 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Ya prolly reject them all cause your in love with yourself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭laoisgem


    Yes and I have done in the past.


    As for other posters saying men would be afraid to approach women these days because of whats in the media this past week and even the metoo movement, I don't get that (I know I'm not a man so that could explain that). I'd rather be approached by someone and know they're trying to chat me up than have someone looking at me from afar not knowing what he's thinking or what his intentions are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    My gf invited herself over to my gaf after we met for two dates just for a walk, without even kissing. Then after a few hours in my living room had to launch herself on me as I am so useless. I often wait for the girl to make first move just so I'm totally sure it's ok.



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    Anyone who tells you that a woman should not ever make the first move is full of sh1t. I've been the one who has been approached several times over the years and I find it delightful and flattering. One girl at work just came up to me one time and she was a bit flustered but she spat it out and asked if I would like to go out with her sometime. I said "hell yes, I would!". We went on a date and even had a snog but the real spark wasn't there. No harm done. I like to think that she went away from it thinking "glad I did that rather than not taking the chance and always wondering".

    Go up to this lad get a date sorted. Jus go for pints or something. If it works out, great. If not you won't have to awkwardly see each other every day in class for another 2 or 3 years. You'll both be graduating soon. Get a move on girl. He/She who hesitates is lost.



  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭Barrita


    Tell him you want a belt of the ham candle and you will have your ankles behind your ears in no time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,480 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    A female friend told me lately that she would never ask a man out, even if she really liked him, he would have to ask her. such an old fashioned view. she has probably missed out on great boyfriends because of that attitude.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,272 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Have you never read the classic romance novels? Jane Austen etc?

    You have his number? You have a phone? That phone has a camera?

    Take a photo of your boobs and send it to him



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    He likely has no idea your interested if you haven't flirted.

    Flirt away, what's the worst that can happen? It's fun 😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,943 ✭✭✭YellowLead


    It’s whatever each person feels comfortable with, there are no rulebooks. Unless you are a follow the trend kind of person....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    I get approached by women a fair bit too

    You have to interact and be sexy first before they'll come onto you ime

    Or if u have a bit of a rep as a ride they might skip above



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  • Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭animalinside


    It has nothing to do with being afraid of looking like a predator or anything like that, men are afraid of approaching women because a lot of them these days are cruel.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14 sure_look_it


    Understandable. I've known one or two women like this personally, as an actual woman.


    I'm only rude towards a fella giving me attention if they're way older, married, in a serious relationship etc. I find it appalling when some local in his late 40s comes up to me when his daughter was only a few years below me in school etc. Especially when you consider I'm mistaken for being 16-18 all the time based purely on my looks.


    Someone around my age who I'm just not feeling? Smile and say "sorry I'm taken" or whatever excuse. I admire people for shooting their shot

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    I'll echo the sentiments of fear of approaching. I always had it, but back then it was fear of rejection, today it's fear of rejection and false accusations. Not that I'd be able to pull anyway, don't have a great track record, but that stuff does play on my mind.

    OP, go for it. Trust me, a man will probably be far more gracious if you approached them, because men can be shy too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭pappyodaniel


    The obvious thing for me is to say just go for it,but I'd like to know more details. You have a guy in mind but it really depends on in what context you know him from,ie is it from a work or social setting?

    Edit

    just re read it.

    College? Big time go for it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,681 ✭✭✭✭Deja Boo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    I usually back off as well when approached by women , it's like an instinctive reaction and it drives me up the wall with frustration when I do it every time

    Did I read that women coming onto men usually doesn't work out , I think I did



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers



    isnt it remarkable how fitting some peoples usernames are.


    To the OP.

    why dont you put your feelings of attraction on hold with this person for a second and just befriend them, find out about them and let them find out about you.

    You are in a great place to develop a friendship (college) because you have a lot in common and plenty to take about. Its harder to do this in other settings.

    Let your acquaintance become a friendship and then see if that leads to a relationship. That takes the pressure off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    It's a lot of foaming at the mouth bs.

    It's perfectly possible to show interest or ask someone out or flirt with someone.

    It's when it becomes clear that the attention is not wanted or the advance is rejected that a lot of people have trouble with.


    OP go for it. These old silly stereotypes need to be changed. Ask him out and good luck with it.





  • Ask would he like to meet you for coffee to discuss some college stuff. Like “seeing how kind you were to give me your notes I’d like to buy you coffee and ask your advice on (subject)”. Choose some nice coffee shop/cafe bar in a nice area where you might go for a walk and be slightly away from your usual beat.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14 sure_look_it


    Thanks guys for all the answers (that were of a helpful nature, that is).


    And yeah, that's my intention. It would be quite weird if I asked him to go for coffee/ a drink when we've never exchanged more than 2 sentences to each other haha. I mean who knows, maybe once I get to know him a little I'll quickly realise- no, not for me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,272 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    You're welcome. Don't mention it. I'm here if you need any more nuggets of wisdom

    Just don't listen to the likes your your man and his advice to engineer a situation where you first lull your potential victim into a false sense of security by showing no physical attraction or affection, only to get him vulnerable and isolated on his own, and then suddenly launch yourself at him and proceed to sexually assault him. 😮

    "Thelonious Monk" - more like "The Loneliest Monk" 😋



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭laoisgem




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭twowheelsonly




    There's your answer in a nutshell.

    It wouldn't be a bit weird and he'd probably welcome it as a 'no pressure, no commitment' scenario as well seeing as he also seems interested but also seems shy. It saves on embarrassment on both sides if there's no spark there and worst case scenario is that you might make a new friend from an acquaintance.

    Go for it before it gets too late. No regrets. I'm close to retirement so at the other end of the age spectrum to you and my regrets are all for things I didn't do, not the ones I did.



  • Registered Users Posts: 526 ✭✭✭OnTheCouch


    A little bit late to the party here, but I hope ultimately the OP showed some sort of interest, just so that she could gauge if he really was for her or not.

    Coming from the perspective of a man in his late-thirties and thinking about it over the last day or two, I can pretty much say that any relationship or involvement I have had with a woman has emanated from her initially. Sometimes I got lucky with work projects etc and got to meet girls whom I wouldn't have had the chance to ordinarily, but it seems to me that women basically initiate things most of the time. In fact, I would go as far as to say that where any girl I asked out without getting to know her a bit, she invariably said no. So random invitations to ladies whom I had seen around, but hadn't had any meaningful interaction with, pretty much had a zero percent success rate.

    The difference of course is that women make the first move in more subtle ways. Sure, I have had girls asking me out in the more traditional way, but once or twice in my entire life I would say. What is infinitely more common is them liking something about you (looks, style, character etc) and then indirectly showing their interest.

     This can be through a slightly longer glance than normal at the man, positioning themselves so they are physically close to the object of their affections, or just simply turning up in the same location. I remember when I was 14 or so, this girl appeared at my football match completely randomly and I had no idea how she got there nor how she even knew about it. It was only many years later that the penny dropped. Finding an excuse to start a conversation about something out there is another one. I’m sure the females themselves are aware of other “tactics” that are used in addition.

    One of the advantages of growing older is that these subtle or indirect signs become more obvious after a while. I would say that now I can tell if a girl likes me up to 80 percent of the time.

     The OP said that men like the chase. I would say yes and no to this. I think we enjoy trying for sure, even if we are turned down. I suppose the rare time that we engage someone and they seem to like us back makes it all worthwhile. But most of these are within social or work circles. Most men haven’t got the stones to chat up random girls in the street for instance. Getting slightly off topic, but I am not entirely sure that women like being hit on randomly that much. From what female friends have told me. Especially if the man is not their physical type. Despite the “romantic notions” some may have about this. What appears to be far more common is that women have a brief interaction with someone, decide that they’d like to get to know him better and try the aforementioned reasons or something else in order to start a conversation.

     So to conclude, I think women basically do start most interactions, just not in the same direct way as men do. Good luck to the OP anyway!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Young fellas are very often shy, and it seems very few young girls know this. I'm not saying this fella is, but loads of younger guys would be too insecure to ask someone out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14 sure_look_it


    Thanks guys.


    I still haven't done anything haha. In my defense, I really haven't gotten the chance. Tomorrow I'm likely to. Closest I've gotten is more glances at each other, but that can always be coincidence



  • Registered Users Posts: 14 sure_look_it


    OP here again.

    I put myself out there and it was a no. I'm disappointed and frankly confused.

    The fella did a lot of things a guy who likes you would do- kept looking at me in class, drove like 15 minutes out of his way in heavy traffic to drop me home (when it's like a 10-minute walk and it was a nice day) etc. But as crappy as it feels, I'm honestly quite proud. I could've wasted weeks/ months waiting for him to ask me out and it would've been for nothing- he does not like me. And the rejection would no doubt have hurt much more the longer I had hope

    I think it just shows ya, you really don't know if someone likes you. I had a crush on a guy I worked with over the summer and assumed he had zero interest. Then like a WEEK after I left, he admitted he liked me and wished he had told me sooner. Whereas this guy seemed quite into me and was not. Going forward, I will not hesitate to 'make a move' because best case scenario it works out and worst case scenario, it doesn't and you feel a little crap but hey, at least you don't waste more time when nothing was ever going to happen anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Nothing wrong with women asking out guys.

    I remember it my early 20s I heard a lot of girls say how they would never ask out a man. Some said they don't want to come off as desperate, others flat out saying it's on the guy not me. But I now know what they actually meant and that's they didn't want to be rejected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Fair play to you. You've got the right attitude.

    As for knowing when someone is into you? I honestly can't tell. Thought I could when I was younger but barked up the wrong tree and got quite a few no's.



  • Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Shao Kahn


    Well OP, since you've decided to take the initiative in the dating arena... (and well done on that btw)

    You must now pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and get back in the game asap. Get yourself out and get sh!t faced drunk, hit a few strip clubs etc. And then pick a fight with someone outside a chipper/Chinese. That'll restore your self esteem in no time at all. It's the only right and proper way to react to rejection! 😆

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives, and it puts itself into our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." (John Wayne)



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