Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

oisinog · 01-02-2022 10:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562434#Comment_118562434

@Phishnet do you read your own links, this one references the side effect which is apparently 1 in 100k for females does not say that it has been removed from the market it indicadtes that CDC perfer the use of the other vaccines due to the higher protection they offer.

Now this is an unnamed drug you probably have in your house and these are the rare side effects reading this would you take it (I have removed over half the rare side effects to keep the list from going on too much

RARE side effects

A Type Of Blood Disorder Where The Red Blood Cells Burst Called Hemolytic Anemia
Anemia
A Decrease In Platelet Clotting
Bleeding
Blood Coming From Anus
Damage To The Liver And Inflammation
Bleeding Of The Stomach Or Intestines

A Type Of Kidney Inflammation Called Interstitial Nephritis

Seizures
Trouble Breathing

Fighting Tao · 01-02-2022 10:43am

It would appear that refusing a covid vaccine dramatically increases occurrences of severe and potentially incurable paranoia.

King Mob · 01-02-2022 11:20am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118563883#Comment_118563883

I think as we've seem on the last couple of years conspiracy theorists do not read articles. They only read the headlines and perhaps one out of context line or graph fed to them by a grifter.

The surest way to prove their claims wrong is to actually read the article and point out the bits they don't want you to read.

I think its very funny that these grifters think so little of their marks that they know that they won't actually read any deeper and will link to the articles that disprove their claims.

Some people even pay for this pleasure.

Hoop66 · 01-02-2022 11:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562622#Comment_118562622

Did you even read that article? (Of course you didn't). You just googled "J&J vaccine safety".

"Individuals who are unable or unwilling to receive an mRNA vaccine will continue to have access to Johnson & Johnson’s COVID-19 vaccine."

You've shown you have an immature approach to debate, throwing out insults when proved wrong & when proved to be a liar. So yes, a complete spoofer.

shillyshilly · 01-02-2022 12:52pm

Those CDC bastards, replacing a safe vaccine with an even safer vaccine

King Mob · 01-02-2022 12:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118564528#Comment_118564528

And notice how he won't actually comment on the fact that the EMA and FDA are also saying that the other vaccines are perfectly safe.

He can't acknowledge that's the case cause he will still want to claim the other vaccines are dangerous when it suits him.

01-02-2022 4:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562434#Comment_118562434

Had a read, nowhere in that link is the word "safe", "safety" or 'withdraw' mentioned, not to mention the words "medicine" or "EMA".

You wouldn't happen to be willfully misinterpreting the words to try pretend they back up your claims, when they don't, would you?

01-02-2022 4:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562450#Comment_118562450

Re: the Guardian article.......again, that article is completely about the CDC and their recommendations. Nowhere does it say that the EMA has decided to not renew their contract because of safety concerns. It is worth noting that the CDC article is from early December, and their current website (updated last week) says that J&J is recommended for everyone over 18. Screenshot below.

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Re: The smithsonian article..........we are now 3 for 3 in posting articles which don't back up the claims you've made. Nothing about the EMA or contracts, I'm afraid. There are a couple of pertinent quotes in that article, however....

“given the current state of the pandemic both here and around the world....receiving any vaccine is better than being unvaccinated.” The agency added that the Johnson & Johnson shot will still be available to anyone who is “unable or unwilling to receive an mRNA vaccine".

So, perfectly safe and better than being unvaccinated. Hardly the words of someone who thinks there are any significant concerns.

It is beginning to look like you're desperately looking for something, anything, to support your claims, but those claims aren't based in fact. You claimed that they were being withdrawn / that the contract was not being renewed because the EMA found them too dangerous. They don't because they aren't. If they were, given your recent posting style on this thread, you'd be ramming it down everyone's throats at every possible opportunity.

If you have any ounce of credibility left, you will withdraw those claims about the EMA and admit you were incorrect. I wouldn't hold my breath, though.

01-02-2022 4:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562524#Comment_118562524

"CDC expresses clinical preference for two other vaccines over a third one, while simultaneously telling everyone to get one of the three because it's better for your health than not having any vaccine....more at 11".

Do you even read these links you're sending around?

01-02-2022 5:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562913#Comment_118562913

So now we've gone from "The EMA haven't renewed their contract because it's unsafe".........to "the EMA ARE GOING TO announce they won't renew".

Which is it? I mean, if they were unsafe then they'd be announcing it with immediate effect, right?

King Mob · 01-02-2022 11:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118566268#Comment_118566268

Because after pages and pages of lying, changing his story and whinging, he's given up his original claim. But rather than just admit he was wrong or lying he's made up another fib and is claiming to have secret knowledge that will be revealed at some unspecified point in the future.

He will not explain where he got this secret information nor will he explain when it will be revealed.

He expects that people won't see this as an indication that he's bullshitting. Possibly because when his grifters use the same kinda bullshit on him he falls for it completely.

hometruths · 02-02-2022 1:36pm

Latest data out of Scotland published today, once again showing the case rate per 100k is lowest in the unvaccinated compared to all other vaccination statuses.

https://www.publichealthscotland.scot/media/11404/22-02-02-covid19-winter_publication_report.pdf

hometruths · 02-02-2022 1:40pm

And boosters seem to be effective at preventing hospitalisation, being double vaxxed less so, particularly compared to being unvaxxed

hometruths · 02-02-2022 1:41pm

And just for balance - deaths by vaccination status:

Fighting Tao · 02-02-2022 1:43pm

@schmittel have you read and understood the disclaimers this time, or are you just posting shite that only makes sense in your head?

With all of this University of Facebook standard of research, I can’t wait to see the paper you publish discrediting the world of people that study viruses and vaccines for a living. When will your paper be ready?

King Mob · 02-02-2022 2:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118570148#Comment_118570148

And again, misrepresenting the report. As per usual.

Again it contains the same disclaimer from the previous report that you ignored:

PLEASE READ BEFORE REVIEWING THE FOLLOWING TABLES AND FIGURES Interpretation of data There is a large risk of misinterpretation of the data presented in this section due to the complexities of vaccination data. A blog post by the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA), formerly Public Health England (PHE), provides a comprehensive explanation of the biases and potential areas for misinterpretation of such data. They state that a simple comparison of COVID-19 case rates in those who are vaccinated and unvaccinated should not be used to assess how effective a vaccine is in preventing serious health outcomes, because there are a number of differences between the groups, other than the vaccine itself, and these biases mean that you cannot use the rates to determine how well the vaccines work.

It repeat links back to this disclaimer and links to other pages that make it extremely clear that you cannot use the data as you are. You ignore these every single time.

The report does not come to the same conclusion you do:

Case rates have declined and subsequently plateaued in the last three weeks from 08 January 2022 to 28 January 2022. Caution should be taken when interpreting recent case trends due to the change in policy from 06 January 2022 where an asymptomatic individual who tests positive via a LFD test is not required to take a confirmatory PCR test. This section of the report only includes PCR confirmed COVID-19 cases and does not include cases confirmed by a LFD test.

• In the last week from 22 January 2022 to 28 January 2022, in an age-standardised population, the rate of COVID-19 related acute hospital admissions in individuals that received a booster or third dose of a COVID-19 vaccine was between 3.4 to 4.0 times lower than in individuals who are unvaccinated or have only received one or two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine.

• In the last week from 15 January 2022 to 21 January 2022, the COVID-19 related death rate in individuals that received a booster or third dose of a COVID-19 vaccine was between 4.5 to 9.7 times lower than individuals who are unvaccinated or have only received one or two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine.

Overall results of COVID-19 cases and hospitalisations, and deaths by vaccination status COVID-19 cases by vaccination

status Analyses from Scotland show that the booster and third dose of the COVID-19 vaccines are associated with 57% reduced risk of symptomatic infection with the Omicron variant compared to those who are more than 25 weeks post-second dose of COVID-19 vaccine. Analysis of vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease with the Omicron variant have been shown to be lower than compared to the Delta variant. Although lower, this is still a substantial vaccine effect, and is higher than after one or two doses of vaccine. For the latest vaccine effectiveness estimates from UKHSA please see the section Vaccine effectiveness summary above

Why do you believe that they do not at all mention in their conclusions that the unvaccinated are not getting covid by such a large margin?

Why do you have to infer this conclusion from the data? (Something that they specifically say you cannot and should not do.)#

We all know the answers to these questions of course. But you won't answer them directly or honestly.

You can only parrot what you are shown by your twitter grifters and hope that other people are as easily lead as you.

whippet · 02-02-2022 2:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118570148#Comment_118570148

@schmittel how short is your memory - it's like a roundabout in here ... you're deductions from these reports were explained to you as being incorrect last week - in great detail.

Looks like you've ran out of road with your desperation to have something confirm your bias that you rehash an argument that was dismissed only last week

Igotadose · 02-02-2022 2:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118570399#Comment_118570399

Ehh. The Phishy persona is on hiatus so we've got this one now. Yeah yeah backseat modding, sorry about that. Timing between these two is always intriguing though.

robinph · 02-02-2022 2:37pm

You can't recycle the Scottish stats so soon. Was only last week that we went through this.

Must be overdue the VAERS data to be misunderstood again by now, and none of the conspiracy theorists have mentioned magnets or 5G in a while. Maybe they have forgotten whose turn it is to run with each item. Has to be a mistake for them to use the same account name for the same claim two weeks running.

hometruths · 02-02-2022 2:54pm

Everybody calm down, I've read the disclaimers, and also the commentary:

The number of PCR confirmed COVID-19 cases and case rates have plateaued in the last week from 21 January 2022 to 28 January 2022. Caution should be taken when interpreting recent case trends due to the change in policy from 06 January 2022 where an asymptomatic individual who tests positive via a LFD test is not required to take a confirmatory PCR test.

Individuals may test positive for COVID-19 even if vaccinated. Rates have increased for all vaccine statuses since the emergence of Omicron in December. However, the data in Figure 16 does not account for severity of the case such as presence of symptoms and may include a number of asymptomatic individuals. Current evidence suggests that the vaccine is very effective at preventing hospitalisations and deaths. The rates in Figure 16 should not be used as a measure of vaccine effectiveness due to unaccounted for biases and risk factors. For more information, please see the Interpretation of data section above.

This is worth pondering - Current evidence suggests that the vaccine is very effective at preventing hospitalisations and deaths.

SO the evidence they have suggests the vaccine is very effective at preventing hospitalisations and deaths, but the data they present showing numbers of hospitalisations and death cannot be used as evidence of the the vaccine being effective?

Not to worry, they provide a handy table which is a "summary of evidence on vaccine effectiveness" elsewhere in the report:

Can any of the savvy posters on here in navigating the disclaimers and the contradictory claims in this report explain how the figures in the table summarising the evidence on vaccine effectiveness that we can use, show that the "Current evidence suggests that the vaccine is very effective at preventing hospitalisations and deaths."?!

King Mob · 02-02-2022 3:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118570577#Comment_118570577

Why are you ignoring the disclaimers first?

You keep saying you've read them, yet then you go on to pretend as if they don't exist.

Why are you doing that? Why are the disclaimers there in the first place?

Have you considered that the reason the people making the report are reaching the conclusions they are because they understand the data better than you?

Have you considered that the reason you don't understand the figures is that you are being fed misinformation by people you follow on twitter who keep getting caught out in lies?

The give you the disclaimer to try and prevent grifters from tricking people like yourself by taking things out of context.

The disclaimer warns that you cannot use the raw data without considering all of the complex factors that effect it.

They do consider these factors because that's what their job is. They have actual training to do so and understand how to account for those figures.

You do not have this training because you only get your education from facebook.

So because they actually know what they are doing, they are able to properly analyse the data and then reach their conclusion.

Do you believe that they authors of the report are mistaken in their conclusions? Are they lying because they are part of the great global conspiracy you believe in?

Fighting Tao · 02-02-2022 3:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118570577#Comment_118570577

Dohnjoe · 02-02-2022 5:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118552321#Comment_118552321

The vaccines are overwhelmingly safe.

As mentioned you've gone down this insane rabbit hole hysterical over a tiny number of injuries/deaths from vaccines.

Dohnjoe · 02-02-2022 5:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118570577#Comment_118570577

Jesus christ, you are still at this?

Dohnjoe · 02-02-2022 5:18pm

US soldiers who refuse to get the vaccine will be discharged

"Army readiness depends on soldiers who are prepared to train, deploy, fight and win our nation’s wars. Unvaccinated soldiers present a risk to the force and jeopardise readiness."

If people don't want to get vaccinated during a pandemic, okay, but they'll find employers may not want them

patnor1011 · 03-02-2022 12:43am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118571598#Comment_118571598

And that entirely depends on how strong your trade unions are.

Fighting Tao · 03-02-2022 8:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573649#Comment_118573649

Trade unions are only as strong as their members, and of applied to Ireland given that the majority are vaccinated, if a company tried to enforce vaccines here then there may not be much resistance from unions. However, it could possibly breach laws, but don’t quote me on that. I.e., I did not state a fact that can be misinterpreted and used anywhere else you try to spread misinformation.

buzzerxx · 03-02-2022 4:20pm

Have my Booster booked for Feb. 29th........ cant wait.

King Mob · 03-02-2022 4:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118576464#Comment_118576464

Lol What a lame attempt at humor after pages and pages of being completely dishonest and cowardly.

Most likely is one you've once again stolen from a tweet.

Why aren't you getting the vaccines?

What safety issues are you concerned about that haven't proven to be complete fabrications by grifters?

Fighting Tao · 03-02-2022 4:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118576464#Comment_118576464

So no vaccine safety issue, just a lack sense of humour on your part.

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