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Radiator issue

  • 03-02-2022 7:07pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭


    Audi A4 b7 2.0 tdi,

    what could be wrong if bottom coolant hose from engine to radiator is cold and rest are hot.

    wont let me upload a pic 🤷‍♂️





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  • Posts: 468 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Bottom hose must be cooler. It shows the radiator works perfectly. Hot water goes in from the top and cold (cooled) water exit from bottom. Remember, it is cooling system



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭BlakeS94


    Bottom hose shouldn't be cold, hot coolant goes through the top hose,into the radiator and out the bottom, the radiator doesn't cool the coolant to "cold" but there should be a noticeable difference in temperature from top and bottom hose.

    Top hose- hot

    Bottom hose- lukewarm

    Could be a bad thermostat, possibly a water pump. Start with making sure coolant level is between Min-Max, then make sure system is bled of air.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    I’m just paranoid about it after last thing with dealer, they told me that’s a problem. I know a reasonable amount but I’m not a mechanic, I really need to consult my Heinz Hesiler book from college it’s been years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    I would say top hose hose hot, the two in/out hoses at firewall as hot, bottom hose cold reservoir pipe as warm. Temp gauge showing 90, coolant level just at max.

    on the basis that the water pump was just done, the cabin heating is working, all be it after garage was told to get it working cause it was blowing cold air after fitting a new pump. It’s either stat or air in system. ?!

    Could I have had a bad thermostat for ages without noticing it. Only started noticing these things after Tbelt nd pump change.

    What would be the risks from this, the water pump was only changed last Thursday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭BlakeS94


    A stuck closed thermostat would cause a cold bottom radiator hose due to no coolant flow. But you'd also see an overheating problem, so I'd rule that out based on what you've said about all the other hoses heating up as they should and the temp gauge reading good. A failed thermostat will give obvious signs when it's gone.

    When did you feel the bottom hose? It may be that there's nothing wrong and the car wasn't driven enough for there to be enough of a heat buildup in the bottom hose. Take it out for a good hard spin, come back, let it cool for a bit, or even if you can safely get your hand on the lower hose while the engine is still hot, feel it again



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    i drove cork to Dublin and back yesterday and it was cold as if it’s as wasn’t driven I didn’t think of checking it on way up cause everything else seemed normal did so twice on way down and no change. That said I wasn’t going full belt 100 to 110 kph all way but still 6 hour round trip with only1.5hrs in between. 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭BlakeS94


    That would definitely be enough, should be feeling the temperature change from cold to lukewarm on the bottom hose once the thermostat opens up.

    If you want to check your thermostat is stuck open, start the car from cold and then open the radiator filler cap and look at the coolant to check if it's flowing, if it is flowing then the thermostat is stuck open. Leave everything as it is, wait for the car to come up to operating temp, then look through the filler neck again, if there's flow now it means your thermostat is working, if there wasn't any flow when car is warmed up then the thermostat would be stuck closed.

    The radiator could be clogged, but I don't think so, pretty much everything that would cause a cold bottom rad hose will also cause overheating.

    Local Car Mechanic could be right, it could be that the cooling system is just running very well after the water pump fresh coolant.

    It doesn't seem to be doing damage if you drove from the nations capital to what the people who live there think should be the nations capital ;)

    Bring it back to the lads who did the water pump and see what they think



  • Posts: 468 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Actually your theory is better, it cools so well because thermostat is stuck opened. Need to look what temperatures computer can see, otherwise we can guess too many things and all may be wrong or right. Need to look how many temperature sensors is there, do not trust the first one what you see on live data.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,623 ✭✭✭John.G


    Radiators are grossly oversized for normal driving but are sized really to stop the cooling fan(s) running continuously while idling. I have watched the temperature on VCDS while driving and it varies only a few degrees at most and generally stays around 87/90C on a few of the family VWs which is indicative of a very clean system as the thermostat is only opened very slightly. In the good old days when coolant gauges actually meant something, the "needle" would only move a few degrees under all normal driving conditions and would then rise while idling for prolonged periods until the cooling fan cut in. The modern ones are basically pretty useless as most are now like the VW/Vag group of cars? (certainly since 2000) where the gauge indicates the true reading up to ~ 75C, it will then move pretty rapidly to indicate a rock steady 90C between 75C and 107C so no indication whatsoever of impending trouble but how many people now days actually look at their gauges or wondered why the cooling fan keeps cutting in/out at a indicated 90C.

    A bit ironical really I suppose but there was a "fail safe" (fail open) thermostat in the famous VW Beetle, the cooling flaps were spring loaded to be fully open and the linkage was attached to a copper corrugated "canister" which was partially vacuum filled and was anchored to a bracket, in the cold condition, the stat was reduced to its minimum length so the flaps were closed and only allowed a very small air flow over the stat, as the engine heated up the air got hotter and hotter and the corrugated canister (stat) started to expand and so gave the required engine cooling. The system could only fail in two ways, either the linkage broke or the canister was holed and lost its vacuum, resulting in fully open flaps and full cooling but no engine seizures. Fail Safe??, of course the flaps could jam closed but they were a pretty loose fit so unlikely. I think I saw a 1950s (water cooled) Riley that had I think a corrugated thermostat or stats which presumably achieved the same result.

    VW Bora (Jan.2000) 1.4 AHW (petrol)

    Thermostat begins opening at 86C. Fully Open at 98C.

    Fan Speed 1 ON at 92C to 97C.   OFF at 91 to 84C.

    Fan Speed 2 ON at 99C to 105C. OFF at 98 to 91C.



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