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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    Is it really a bad thing though? You don't need to stay in the PS your whole career.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,895 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Oh no, not at all. I was more so agreeing with the previous poster regarding the PS not being the bed of roses it once was, and for other opportunities being available.

    Impossible to know without speaking to each individual. I doubt it's because of WFH though; they would most likely to be moving from one organisation (PS) wfh to another organisation (private sector) who was also wfh in the pandemic. If it was that reason, why would you bother?

    Programme for Government had a commitment on remote working for 20% of the civil service even before the pandemic hit. I expect the hybrid model will be embraced for the civil service.



  • Registered Users Posts: 946 ✭✭✭gauchesnell


    Im also public sector and yes for new entrants salary and pensions are not the same as for existing staff. The policy on remote working in civil service is expected to be rolled out to the public service - but we already have our own policy in place. Ive also noticed a lot of retirements aswell which is not a bad thing - early retirements aswell.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,451 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    They will probably gain talent as well, even if it is strict office attendance. Some people will live close to that office, others will be glad of the opportunity and will take it. No doubt there will be some churn, but in the end most will get what they want.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    Just a personal anecdote. I work fully remote since the beginning of the pandemic, I will continue to do this going forward as my company are ok with this. My job is in a very specialised development area, I often work on projects on my own for weeks at a time and there is a creative element that I find easier working in my own office at home. I just have occasional teams meetings (couple of times a week maybe) with colleagues in various countries around the world, Dublin makes up a small part of it. I have been with the company a good few years and know everyone, I travel to other countries to meet colleagues, mostly just for the social side to get to know them. We don't have juniors that are in need of mentoring at the moment. I don't have concerns about visibility for progression or anything like that as the projects have high visibility an d speak for themselves. So, all in all my role is very suited to fully remote.

    However, I had an informal chat with another similar company a few weeks ago. This company always had a reputation for great conditions, the typical things you would hear about in tech firms. I asked about the WFH policy, obviously mentioning that I am fully remote at the moment. They will be 3 days in and 2 days at home, for everyone in the firm. I can understand the reasoning for this, in my position it makes sense to be fully remote as I have built up relationships over the years, joining a new company would involve starting again. Development is, in my opinion, 50% about communication and communication is a lot easier in person.

    Based on this, I think the standard "good" hybrid will be 3/2.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,895 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    There goes the "it's better for the environment " argument "


    In Dublin, motor traffic is up 10pc on its pre-pandemic level while in Waterford it is up 40pc.

    And

    The number of people using public transport is down 38pc compared to two years ago.


    Source: https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/no-flexi-tax-saver-ticket-for-staff-returning-to-the-office-part-time-41302868.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 534 ✭✭✭Young_gunner




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,383 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    I'd say its more to do with people still being anxious sitting in close proximity to others and also having to wear a mask on public transport which many dont like.

    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,658 ✭✭✭storker


    Yet with all her imagination when it comes to making life difficult for employees and punishing remote working, Mrs OBumble wasn't able to imagine that possible explanation for traffic volume. She forgets too that COVID hasn't gone away. When it becomes less of a concern, public transport usage will go back up again. Also, many people are still working form home. Whatever traffic levels are now, without remote working they'd be a lot worse.

    What was she saying about logical thinking being required in order to do certain jobs?



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,027 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    how much less of a concern does covid need to become, we are long passed the point where the severity of the illness pales to the inconvenience of the isolation guidelines.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,383 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    I think people need time, the continued pressers and daily figures needs to stop as does the mask mandate. Once all that goes the conversation will change and life can go back to normal, hopefully we'll have all that by paddies day this year.

    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



  • Posts: 31,119 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's got more to do with the covid related restrictions that make PT a hostile environment for some, more so than the risk of getting it.

    Most have had it at this stage so therefore are immune, but having to wear masks for the entire journey, I would not and have never done. Same for working in the office, I only go to work in places where I can stay alone, anything to avoid wearing those bloody masks!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Because suppression of information always helps reassure people and leads to logical decision making to mitigate risks?! 🤐



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,027 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    how did people manage without daily updates on other contagious respiratory viruses?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Badly? Getting sick unnecessarily? Like, I can see that the test positivity rate is 30.1% and that 92 people died from Covid in the week up to yesterday, compare that to a couple of weeks ago when the number was only 49, and decide maybe the seats I'm booking in the pub this Saturday will be in the outdoor heated area, rather than inside, where, bizarrely, nobody needs to wear a mask at all anymore or prove they've been vaccinated/recovered from COVID.

    And others might look at the falling hospital numbers and steady ICU figures and decide grand, they'll head to the pub to watch the Six Nations.

    You're not really advocating a "keep them in the dark and throw **** at them" policy of enforced ignorance, are you?



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,027 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    im advocating that we end this obsession with what is now a mild illness given the high % of people that are vaccinated and / or have contracted it at this stage and how harmless it is relatively speaking.

    I didnt need to know how many people got the flu or who died from it either.

    and its died with not from Covid.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    It's mild for most. It's not mild for the ones that get long COVID from it, the ones hospitalised because of it, the ones intubated in ICU because of it, or the ones who died from it. Or "with" it - but note the HPSC statistics do not make such a distinction.

    I mean, clearly, you regard the elderly and those of us with underlying conditions as expendable, but if it's all the same to you, we'd rather assess our own chances and decide our own risks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,027 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    There are loads of infectious diseases that are mild for most but will cause issues for those with underlying conditions or the elderly, Covid at this point is no more or less deadly than any of the rest of them. We shouldnt be reporting on it, any more than we should report on any of the rest of them.

    Yes the HPSC statistics dont make the distinction they just record people who have died who were positive for Covid 19, given the prevalence of the omnicron variant im surprised the numbers arent higher, almost everyone i know now has had it and no one was seriously ill, all were vaccinated.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Grand, so, let's ignore NPHET, the HSE, the EMA and the WHO and the 6,228 deaths to date - how dare they inconvenience us like that - and just go with your anecdotes instead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,027 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Nah lets go with your hyperbole and focus on fringe cases, its a nicer way to live.



  • Posts: 31,119 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Denmark!

    Denmark has had the best plan and are now dropping all restrictions and have declared covid over



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,858 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    While I am not going to disagree with you in relation to dropping all guidance which will be gone by the February IMO. Just wondering do you know how a virus kills it is highly unlikely that the dead is caused by the virus itself



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,858 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    You know getting Covid only makes you "immune" for a short time. It is not like those measles parties from long ago



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,964 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Don't bother. No point. If it didn't sink in within the last 2 years, there's no hope for these people.

    I'm on the hunt for a job. While not immediate, one of our bosses basically said we're coming back in, and even most fukaboutery with changing my roster to include 1 day shift a fortnight/month (compared to all nights) for literally no reason than to sit in with the day people and see how they work. Except any time that's ever happened before, 70% of what they do is irrelevant to us on nights. Pointless and only being done so this manager can feel special and like she's actually doing something other than wrecking everyones head. (This is also on top of 6 months waiting for DPA validation training on something I do every night, but still haven't been trained how to do it and isn't knowledge specific, it's employer system specific so can't be learned elsewhere).

    Apple have a good few WFH jobs, but none suitable at the moment. Amazon have a few WFH but none of these are advertising salary. And I'm finding it basically impossible to find another night WFH job at the moment, so I'll have to... * shudders * go back on days...



  • Posts: 31,119 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You do realise of course that natural immunity is far better than a vaccine induces immunity as it has created antibodies that can attack the entire virus and many of the variants of the virus and that protection can last up to a couple of years before waning completely.

    Unlike a vaccine that provides limited short term protection, why are they pushing boosters if the vaccine provided medium term protection. It does not, the time is shorter for each booster.

    The natural immunity that is provided by omicron will protect against all variants of SARS-COV-2, for at least long enough for the endemic to die out.

    That is why Denmark have chosen to allow omicron to inoculate the remainder of the population and reinforce the immunity of the vaccinated by allowing them virus to run free and burn itself out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭jaffa20


    I thought this was a working from home thread 🤔

    Lots of posts seem to be generally covid related.



  • Posts: 31,119 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It is, but it is in the covid forum and covid is still playing a large part of why WFH is happening.

    How the covid rules are implemented play a large part in how WFH will play out in the short term and in the longer term it is really a debate between employers & employees with the vested interests really weighing in on the work in offices side with to the town centre economics playing a large part.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid



    You should be working for WHO with all this amazing medical knowledge you have! Imagine all those doctors, professors and epidemiologists wasting all those years in college and med school when they could just have phoned you up!



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