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Amnesty scheme for undocumented migrants in Ireland

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    #482
    kravmaga
    Registered Users Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118574876#Comment_118574876

    I disagree with you.

    Well Im from Dublin and I work in the city centre , Ive seen the deterioration before my eyes.

    You must be going around with a bucket over your head.



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    #483
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118581528#Comment_118581528

    Well I disagree with you! I'm in Dublin since 1993 and while that area has always been a bit rough around the edges, there is little difference between then and now. It looks a bit better now!



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    #484
    MarkEadie
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭MarkEadie


    I once knew a Ukrainian guy who was a very sound guy and I later figured out he was here illegally. We lost touch but he was a nice guy and it was only after we lost touch that it clicked with me that he was probably an undocumented migrant. I hope he is one of the people who gets amnesty despite many bigots wanting him out of the country.



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    #485
    Patrick2010
    Registered Users Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118581581#Comment_118581581

    If you believe in having a regulated visa immigration similar to the US, Canada, Australia etc rather than an open door policy you're either a racist or a bigot.



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    #486
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118581581#Comment_118581581

    Bigots, bigots, bigots.....rawr, rawr, rawr

    🤡



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    #487
    jmayo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Seeing as this is a discussion on migrants/immigrants of some sort and invariably we have discussed asylum seekers, can all the proponents of it please explain why we have a Zimbabwean scumbag still in our country despite him amassing 78 convictions including assault while he was in jail.

    And seeing as a lot of the pro asylum seeker/pro migrants/pro adopt a poor person from some backwards ar**hole of a country are also very vociferous on violence against women, would they please be able to give a reason to that poor lady violently assaulted in the centre of Dublin as to why they would want people like this Zimbabwean guy in our country ?

    And speaking of Zimbabweans I wonder will the guiy who stomped on a guys head and kicked him in the head in an unprovoked attack in Clonakility get to remain in Ireland ?

    We really seem to be becoming a dumping ground for the world scumbags, but sure all is good we get some nice varied new food.


    Note: I now expect radio silence or a debate on my grammar 🙄

    I am not allowed discuss …



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    #488
    Tow
    Registered Users Posts: 7,580 ✭✭✭Tow


    The guy from Zimbabwe arrived here aged 12. This appears to have ruled out the Guard escorting him home, as he is home!

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



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    #489
    kravmaga
    Registered Users Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118581571#Comment_118581571

    Well I disagree with you ! Im from Dublin and living here since 1969.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058220383/why-is-dublin-such-a-sh%CE%B9tty-city/p21



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    #490
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118582526#Comment_118582526

    As far as I can see, Ruzmond/Raymond Muwaniri is still a Zimbabwean citizen not an Irish one. So deportation would be possible, as he'd be here on a renewable visa.

    It's interesting to read the variety of articles.. there's a lot of different info attached to the name, although most say he's a Zimbabwean resident living in Ireland, as opposed to being an Irish citizen.



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    #491
    Tow
    Registered Users Posts: 7,580 ✭✭✭Tow


    When you read all the news reports over the years it is hard to understand how we was walking free.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



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    #492
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118582731#Comment_118582731

    Not really. The migrant related NGOs have a lot of influence and access to legal council... besides there's been a lot of political pressure over the years not to target foreigners in Ireland. The Irish media is also pretty harsh on anyone who tends to criticise anything related to foreigners.. so I'm not terribly surprised to see a situation like this. TBH, I rather suspect there's a fair few other foreign born individuals who shouldn't be here, but are.

    Can't see anyone being held responsible for that though.



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    #493
    Tow
    Registered Users Posts: 7,580 ✭✭✭Tow


    So you are concluding if he was Irish Born and Breed he would have remained lockup up in Dundrum or the Joy?

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



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    #494
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 25,488 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    “ To qualify a person must have a period of 4 years undocumented residence…There are currently 17,000 undocumented people in Ireland, many of whom have difficulties accessing citizens services or joining the workforce. “… That’s because they are NOT citizens… people who are not qualified pilots, don’t fly planes… people who are not citizens are not entitled be treated as citizens..

    The programme -- described as a “once-in-a-generation scheme” will run until the end of July.

    i have to love the ‘ once in a generation ‘ line. basically saying… “yes, I know you think it’s a one off amnesty but.. HA… once in a generation can mean anything” …once in a generation is a plan for a rolling repetition of this amnesty… it will be used as a political football, Sinn Fein would roll it out once every 7 - 10 years…if not more often…

    FF/FG less frequently but it will be used by all pro immigration heads and crushing us, citizens, our wellbeing …. party’s will use like a political football… to try and enable more votes.. that why SF are all over it…AGAIN…There are currently 17,000 undocumented people in Ireland, many of whom have difficulties accessing citizens services or joining the workforce…. That’s a lot of payback votes..

    The programme -- described as a “once-in-a-generation scheme” will run until the end of July…once in a generation LITERALLY means that this is not a test, not a one off amnesty …this is or will be life… there is no ‘literal’ time definite definition of ‘generation’…

    there is no contract between this government and us regarding ‘ once in a generation’ next Dail… ‘ once every 5 years ‘ then….SF will be worse they just want to increase their voter base..

    have your house, car, property, loans, before this shîtshow starts…

    a precedent is being well and truly set, we walk to the edge of this cliff with this thing there is only one way for us… down.



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    #495
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118583133#Comment_118583133

    a precedent is being well and truly set

    Indeed 😎



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    #496
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,510 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I am becoming increasingly exasperated.

    Instead of my taxes being spent on public transit, infrastructure, improved hospitals, my taxes are used to deal with violent African criminals, over and over.

    I wouldn't mind if it was his first conviction, and we deported him after that conviction. I wouldn't mind paying taxes for that.

    But he has 78 convictions.

    So I and all the the taxpayers must pay for police time, Courts, prisons over and over again.

    Many workers face a 48.5% marginal income tax rate, nearly half of any payrise / progression / promotion is taxed away.

    People wouldn't mind so much if their taxes were invested wisely.

    But to think people work hours / nights / overtime, only to face a 50% tax rate to pay for this criminal.


    Who can I vote for? What pol party will end this? By end this, I specifically mean instant deportation, as in forcibly taken from the Court after conviction, and put on a flight back home.



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    #497
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Maybe we can release the prison population in the country too.

    At least we know the crimes they've committed. Mc Entee will solve the prison building problem too. Genius.



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    #498
    Arthur Daley
    Registered Users Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    Do you have a single genuine right of centre politician in the Dail. And please don't answer Fine Gael.



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    #499
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 25,488 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Fine Gael have no credibility on social issues, never had… they only understand balance sheets…they are pro immigration and this amnesty aside from votes it means more people = more money for their mates.. they’ll still be tucked away in financial security and safety no matter what happens.



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    #500
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118584054#Comment_118584054

    We supposedly need 40000 odd in hospitality and tourist sector. Any coincidence there.

    Big business rules the roost



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    #501
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 25,488 ✭✭✭✭Strumms



    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118584176#Comment_118584176

    that’s what ‘they’ say…. but maybe that’s to make the labour market more competitive which is a deliberate tactic to push down wages.

    last month there were ….188,543 on the live register..

    we are 40,000 short, even in a pandemic ? Where people have been furloughed, let go en masse ! Don’t think so….



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    #502
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118584682#Comment_118584682

    There was the same thing with mup.

    Publicans pushing for it.

    Too many groups looking for too much change too fast.

    End up with chaos in my opinion.

    Green agenda, NGOs agenda, big business agenda, eu agenda,

    Mmm wheres the people of this country's agenda in all this?



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    #503
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 25,488 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    the NGOs are private companies and need to be reminded of that fact…people first.



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    #504
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118584682#Comment_118584682

    5% unemployment or less is considered to be full employment

    Pre-covid we were at 4.9%.

    Jan 2022 we were 5.2% or 7.8% including those on covid supports.

    It'll balance out at approx 5.8-6.1% once everything opens back up but that doesn't leave a lot of capacity as that 1% will be swallowed up within 12-24 months.

    As for "they", that'll be the CSO



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    #505
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118582884#Comment_118582884

    Is that directed at me? (quoting someone is pretty useful for letting people know who you're talking to.. especially since it doesn't appear even remotely related to what I posted earlier.)



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    #506
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118584828#Comment_118584828

    They need to be shut down, or forced to seek financing from private sources, as opposed to being supported by the government.

    They are a cancer in society... our own lobby groups (similar to the US), paid by our taxes, but not interested in representing our interests.



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    #507
    McHardcore
    Registered Users Posts: 349 ✭✭McHardcore


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118578074#Comment_118578074

    There is no point. @[Deleted User] lacks the understanding of his own posts. He is parroting the point without comprehending what asylum seeker means.



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    #508
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118585685#Comment_118585685

    Oh, I understand well enough. I simply disagree with you, and feel no desire to follow you down a rabbit hole.



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    #509
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573355#Comment_118573355

    There is a big gap for such a party but you need favourable media reporting to get a new party off the ground, the media here would strangle a party like the above at birth

    More than a new party ,we need a vaguely conservative media outlet, we are bombarded with liberal dogma 24-7 here on any given topic



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    #510
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 40,232 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118585925#Comment_118585925

    There is a big gap for such a party

    No there isn't.

    If there was it would have happened already.

    Creighton tried, it was a spectacular failure.



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    #511
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118586282#Comment_118586282

    Peoples opinions change with time and environment.

    Can see that across europe.

    The media are definalty an obstacle to actual public opinion on varies topics.



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