Are the attempts to stop the British government amnesty for the troubles futile

More personal insults from the usual source. It is all you have, referring to other posters as foolish and children when your arguments have no merit.

Your analysis is wrong. Soldier F wasn't the British State on Bloody Sunday. There were no orders from London to do what he did. There was no referendum to approve his actions in advance. There were no laws passed by Parliament to authorise him. In fact, there were no acts of murdering and lawlessness in Northern Ireland carried out by the British State, they were actions by individuals.

The British State is the collective of all the citizens of the UK. The British government is those elected to government in that democratic state. There is no evidence that the British State had any hand, act or part in approving the actions of those who took part on Bloody Sunday - just ask any ordinary British citizen. As for the British government, whatever about hiding the deed afterwards or not responding properly to them, there is no evidence that they ordered Bloody Sunday in advance.

I may well be wrong but I am of the belief that many of those who refer to the British State in some sort of abstract way are doing so because of their uncomfortableness in actually expressing their true beliefs which might reveal them to be sectarian or racist. It is a thin veneer that doesn't take much to scrape off.

You think you're being all lofty and high minded but actually all you're doing there is holding the British state to the same standards as proscribed terrorist organisations..

I wasn't referring to you in my post, I was actually responding to a different poster, so unless you are the same person posting, how do you take that reference as being to you?

The government has investigated, there have been two tribunals on Bloody Sunday, albeit the first one was a farce, so that doesn't hold water. Prosecutions have been attempted but failed in the courts. There is no evidence that the British government ordered the parachute regiment to kill its own citizens.

So your evidence is that a rogue captain in the British Army turned a blind eye to a single Loyalist operation, and somehow that means that the whole British people organised terrorism and murdered civilians. What a stretch.

You made a completely incorrect general statement that people who hold a certain view (which is not unwarranted) are sectarian or racist. I hold that view and am 100% neither of those things. Generalizing people who you do not agree with into being something repugnant is doing exactly what you are preaching against.

There is mountains of evidence that Britain ordered and covered up British Army killings in NI. Their conduct, treatment of guilty soldiers, smearing campaigns, inconsistencies, withholding of documents and even attempts change one of the fundamental laws of the civilized world all point to this.

But you are willing to ignore all of this because there is no official British government document has surfaced showing that they directly ordered killings? Unfortunately that document cannot be ascertained as the British Government have ordered all official documents relating to their role in those killings to be sealed for 100 years, completely circumventing freedom of information and the usual protocol.

Why would they do this do you think?

they threw a lovely coming home party for garda murderers though didnt they , and after trying to force early release for the murdering piece of dirt

fact is we still dont know who carried out many of the iras atrocity's because there were and are still protected by sf , isnt that true ?

your quite happy to support a "political party" who are protecting war criminals rather that justice for all sides ?

that's an interesting stance considering your party's active attempts to re write history

so they lost control of their army - even worse. and then lied about it. You dont really think your arguments through ...

at least have to balls to stand by your support of terrorism brucie

i asked you if you were happy about sfira throwing a party for garda killers who were first denyed then accepted by sf you said

"Yes and quite rightly. " disgusting attitude in favor of disgusting behavior. i even gave you a chance to clarify but all you did was evade and bluster , and Gerr McCabe was only one of the many victims . at least he got some justice , many more didn't get any .

Sort of sick that you think thats "hilarious" brucie

of all the aggressively pro sf posters here ive never seen one own it and admit to it ,

I mean sf advertise and promote their "on line army" yet no one ever admits to being a member , why the deception and secrecy i wonder

you support those who carry out violence if you support sf, killers bombers smugglers , peados rapists and fraudsters . dont know how any normal person could thing that those people shouldn't face justice for their crimes regardless of their political affiliation

those british soiders who committed war crimes should be punished in the same vein

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you post almost exclusively pro sf ira propaganda ,at least own it, your fooling no one francie sorry bruice

and display this by the default setting to being called out is to accuse that person of being a fffger ( a just slightly less offensive pair of organizations imo)

Forgiveness with the ability to control the anger at those who did us wrong. Sinn Fein are no innocent party yet we have to move on from the topic of the smoking gun literally in politics. SF has evolved over the years to become a centre left party maturing to gain ground by parking their ambivalence of promoting violence against others whilst hating it being done to them. The DUP not acquiescing to that modus operandi in the way of thinking has lead to gains for the Alliance and that is going to benefit SF in the future. Now stand back from the first enquiry (total horse sh*t that it was) and take the following into consideration. Whether or not the soldiers were ordered to shoot innocent unarmed civilians on the day of Bloody Sunday, the army is still vicariously liable for their actions therefore must hold those culpable to be brought to justice. I am not a member of SF by any stretch of the imagination however would have and would still give them their vote as they have matured. SF as of late started with apologies for Mountbatten (judos to Mary Lou for that, a monumental occasion). Summing up - forgiveness is not easy when one is stuck in the midst of the blame game

The only way you can excuse terrorists not turning themselves into the authorities is if you are a supporter of those terrorists. Let us see which terrorists you support and which you don't and how far you would go to support them. Three quick yes or no answers.

Do you think that the people who fired on the PSNI and killed Lyra McKee should turn themselves in?

Do you think that the people who submitted Mairia Cahill to an illegal IRA court should turn themselves in?

Do you think that the people who beat Paul Quinn to death should turn themselves in?

That only applies if I consider the IRA to be a proper army rather than a organised group of criminal thugs.