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The Book Of Boba Fett - Disney+ (**Spoilers**)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭Useless Lump


    There was something seriously wrong with the chase alright and I can’t figure out how it passed quality control or what ever they do before releasing it



  • Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭Useless Lump


    It feels more dramatic that just a course correction. It turned into The Mandalorian who goes to visit friends on Tatooine.

    I have actually been wondering did they panic in response to the reception of the series - I don’t if that is something Favereau would do but I’m certain Filoni wouldn’t.

    He seems like a hold the course type - granted his history is in animation where you can’t but hold the course but still…. he always has confidence in where a show is going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,386 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    In fairness, she's one of the main parties involved in deciding which projects go ahead and who takes charge of them. She put JJ Abrams in charge of the movies, and they didn't go well (though I will defend The Last Jedi to my dying days). But she also put Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni in charge of the TV shows and they're going well.

    She has made some good decisions, and she's made some bad decisions. I think it's absolutely fair to blame her for the movies but also praise her for the TV shows.

    Let's face it, Favreau made Iron Man. He also made Iron Man 2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,386 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    They couldn't have changed anything in the show in response to reception of the earlier episodes. There was no time for filming, cgi, and The Mandalorian S3 hasnt started filming yet as far as I know so they couldn't just insert footage from it (edit: actually, filming seems to have started in Oct 2021, however with CGI and everything there still wouldn't have been time to just change TBOBF with footage from it). This was always the way the show was going to go. It's just very oddly paced.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Just looking at Kennedy's career it's a mixed bag of solid gold, and total trash; much like any other producer really, but cos she dared to "ruin" Star Wars gets N times the vitriol. As if she somehow, personally, sabotaged the films out of spite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,386 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    No one will ever have done more damage to Star Wars than George Lucas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,509 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




  • Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭Useless Lump


    I wasn’t saying she wasn’t responsible for the good and the bad - she is in charge and it is all on her.

    the EltonJohn poster wasn’t blaming her for beams and praising her for the good. He was blaming her for the bad and saying she had no control over the good - basically saying any rubbish to try prove his point to himself.

    he was also saying she had creative control of the movies which is not true - Abrams and Johnson had full creative control.

    if you feel you have to defend a movie then do you really believe in that movie? This isn’t snark- it is a question.

    Johnson is clearly a talented storyteller and filmmaker. With The Last Jedi he produced the best possible film he could with the muck he was given. I’m not saying it is a good Star Wars movie, just that he did his best.

    if I was in his place I would have opened the movie a space battle - the First Order being in chaos from losing Starkiller when it turns out enough of Republic fleet survived (or possible another like Mandalore or an outside invasion) attacks and wipes them all out.

    the on the island it is revealed that Luke has been hiding there with some Padawans - including his own family.

    then just take off from there

    im not a writer - but someone out there could make a good movie out of that



  • Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭Useless Lump


    production is well underway on Mando since October - I know thsi from reading that Pascal hasn’t been on set at all.

    My wonderings were just wonderings - mad wonderings maybe - yes there would have been a lot to get done to release Mando footage early - but I think it is possible they could have done it. Unlikely they did but possible.


    I know a couple of casual viewers of all star wars - they just watch, enjoy and move on. No mythology questions or anything. In the aftermath of the last two episodes they have gone out of their way to ask me what is going with this series as they think it is very odd.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    She's one Hollywood producer among thousands - and a successful one at that. I'm not getting drawn into a discussion about her merits when you've clearly got a very large axe to grind for one particular job on a Golden Calf of an IP - warranted or not. If you can't even give her credit for the things she has got right, then there's no discussion to be had.



  • Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭Useless Lump


    I really don’t understand Favereau and Filoni’s thinking.

    they said they deliberately avoided bringing in characters from other Star Wars is season one so that The Mandalorian series stood on its feet at at first.

    then with this show they go out of their way for a crossover and to sideline Boba Fett.

    the easiest path can’t be the best one - it is a show about Boba Fett and a crime war. If Boba needs muscle for money then who are the obvious and best choices?

    Dengar. 4-LOM. Zuckuss. Bossk (someone for Krrastam to butt heads with).

    maybe one of them on the other side with Cad Bane.

    and some new burd maybe.

    I mean - if even I can come with that easy idea how did they not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,386 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    The prequels. They had some good ideas and scenes, but the lowest lows of Star Wars are almost all in the prequel trilogy. Plus repeatedly going back to edit stuff in re-releases of the original trilogy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,509 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Prequels are hugely flawed but had some great moments and I think improved from episode 1 to 3. Also it was a huge leap in the use of technology, similar to the Mandalorian.


    But for me this is by far the worst moment in Star Wars history.





  • Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭Useless Lump


    I mean this in the nicest possible way but you are the craziest crazy person in the crazy house if you think most of the “low points” are in Prequels.

    Unless you haven’t actually seen the Sequel trilogy, then you can be forgiven for this belief.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,682 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    They don't need to wait for audience reception to decide something isn't working. And as we've seen with the films, when TPTB of Disney SW decide something isn't working they don't hesitate to just start over. My best guess is Favreau just decided mid-season he didn't want to do BOBF anymore. He probably has the same level of control/influence JJ had on the films.



  • Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭Useless Lump


    I don’t know what Favereau is thinking at all.

    inqgree that he what’s the same control as Abrams had - which is complete control.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,296 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    How can they decide mid season ?

    Do you mean midway through shooting the season.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,682 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Yes, I think possibly he saw that Morrison's Fett was not a compelling protagonist and that the storyline he planned wasn't working, so he decided to go straight into Mando season 3 instead.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,386 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Difference of opinion, it's all good. The sequel trilogy definitely have low points, particularly Rise of Skywalker. The Force Awakens was designed to replicate A New Hope to try bring new and returning fans in, and The Rise of Skywalker was far too much an over-correction due to the response The Last Jedi got. But so much of the prequel trilogy to me are just unwatchable. The writing and story are largely awful. The performances are very hit and miss (which I don't entirely blame the actors for given the awful dialogue they had to work with). Aside from the lightsaber fights and Ewan McGregor, they're just absolutely terrible.

    Anyway, that's probably too big a Sarlac hole to bring the discussion down. All I'd say is that regarding Star Wars, Kathleen Kennedy has made some great decisions, and some bad ones. Ultimately she currently has control over what shape and direction the Star Wars Universe takes, by greenlighting the projects they want to go ahead, getting the right people to create those projects, and making sure they all line up with each other. I think she made a bad decision with bringing Abrams back for Rise of Skywalker, but by having Favreau and Filoni help to shape the TV side of things, she's put the right people in the right place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,272 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    This Kathleen Kennedy isn't married to a producer called Alex Kurtzman is she?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,296 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    They were married by an illuminati priest in a Mason hall ( their wedding limo had "no pope" written backwards under the car )



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Kathleen Kennedy stole my dog.



  • Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭Useless Lump


    I accidentally tapped the flag option when responding to this post. I don’t know that actually means though.

    The sequel trilogy is one low point after another.

    They we’re not replicating the originals they outright copied both them and the EU too.

    Opinions of the prequels aside, Lucas had a vision and an actual story - it was original in designs and it push filmmaking technology to a new level.

    The sequel trilogy is nothing but a mess that has now restricted the storytelling to this era. They might be able to tell the story of the past but there is no story for the future unless they ignore the sequels completely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,098 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Theyre going to kill Grogu aren't they?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,296 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    How has it restricted the story telling to a certain era and how can no one ever make a story post sequel ?

    All sounds a bit over the top to me



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    But you don't then leave it with 3 episodes that you don't believe are any good and follow it up with some series 3 of The Mandalorian which only serves to highlight the difference. You'd mix and match the good bits with the bad bits in each episode, have some Bobba Fett dream sequence and Mandalorian being the Mandalorian running as parallel stories and so hide that you think one bit is rubbish.

    Can also then make the Vespa gang look a bit less obvious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,818 ✭✭✭Relikk


    While I'm enjoying all of the series Disney have released thus far and appreciate that they're trying to "fix" the sequels by building the characters and world around them in the same way The Clone Wars did for the prequels, I agree with previous sentiments because my main problem is that anything set after Return of the Jedi is gimped to adhere to the outcome of the awful second and third installments of the sequels, and I don't ever want to see them being referenced at all again. The Clone Wars enhanced an already good story, the story of the sequels isn't really worth bolstering because it's shite.

    Post edited by Relikk on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,407 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Oh absolutely, they're not gonna kill Ashoka or Luke. But you better believe the new guy is getting shanked. And next season of Mando will be a revenge story



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,296 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,104 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    There will be a lot of children heartbroken if they do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,509 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Can they ignore the sequel trilogy ? I don’t think any body would mind.

    Luke comes out of a space shower and tells Grogu that he had a strange and awful dream.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,386 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    If anything, because these shows are set after the original trilogy, they can use them to try fill in backstory for the sequel trilogy. Maybe we learn about how Palpatine returned, learn who Snoke is and how he came to power etc. They can try fill in some of the gaps in the same way the animated shows filled in some of the gaps between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Either everything is canon, or nothing is. You may not like what happened but ultimately a universe should be strong enough to move onwards to tell new stories. Apart from anything else, the Skywalker saga is done, good bad and ugly. Let's tell new tales, epics and tragedies- and stop trying to make everything about the same 3 or 4 people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,296 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Generations have had to watch Yoda die. It'll be good for them in the long run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,098 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    "Bambis mum" is still a thing 80 years later.

    They killed Han Solo ffs.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    They didn't kill bambi though. Grogu might be 50 years old, but he's too young to kill off.


    Might get kidnapped by a proto Snoke and then Mando can go searching for him next season.



  • Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭Useless Lump


    Relikk explains it all above better than I could.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,272 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    So our marshal, Cobb Vanth, is actually lifted from some canon novels written by Chuck Wendig. And he ain't happy that his name's missing from the credits.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭Useless Lump


    I don’t read reviews as the opinions of others are irrelevant - it won’t make me want to watch something less or more nor like it less or more.

    However I was curious about the general opinion of the series so I checked out a couple of reviews - and brother do I regret it …


    Do people not know what the word cameo means?

    a small character part in a play or film, played by a distinguished actor or a celebrity

    God Almighty, are these people paid for this shite?




  • Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭Useless Lump


    Nobody who matters wants to see the “backstory for the Sequel trilogy”.

    We might never hear him say the words, but there is no way Filoni wants anything to do with the Sequel Trilogy - because he both knows Star Wars and loves Star Wars.

    Pretty sure Favereau feels the same.



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    as the opinions of others are irrelevant

    Yet you have been challenging posters on boards.ie for years whose opinion you disagree with and continually tell them there opinion is wrong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭Useless Lump


    I didn’t know he was from a book.

    Sounds like it was short story that was added in with nothing to do with the overall plot.

    I had a quick read of the synopsis and Tuskens rescue Cobb from villains in the the last story but In the Mandalorian episode The Marshal, Cobb clearly dislikes the Tuskens during their meeting.

    Does this mean that Filoni and Favereau took the character but not the backstory?



  • Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭Useless Lump


    The opinions of others in reviews of films, etc. - they statement is simple enough so you must have understood and this means you are deliberately trying to twist the remark into something it isn’t.

    and what are talking about? Challenging people for years?

    you have me mistaken for someone else.

    I joined in June 2019 (I had to check that I. my profile). I don’t know how often I used boards.ie but it was inactive for a long time and I only reopened the account a week or so ago.

    so I have no idea why you think I’ve been “challenging people for years” - my post history only goes back to the reactivation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭Useless Lump


    we agree on this

    it appears I awoke from my nap on a different planet Earth… again.

    :p



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,104 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    But this is, baby yoda. Not just any foundling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,978 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Not really looking forward to the season finale with Robert Rodriguez down as the director as all his directed episodes have been very weak.



  • Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭Useless Lump


    I thought the season finale was going to be Filoni or Favereau.

    Rodriquez’s episodes have had some poor choreography in the fight sequences - like some of the actors didn’t know what they were doing - and that speeder chase was bad.

    Add to that the amount of story being given to Mando and the likelihood that Grogu is being added in too …

    I’m nervous about it now.

    How in the world is Rodriquez a producer on this too?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭Useless Lump


    Something I did agree with in that article on the last two episodes is that Luke meeting Ashoka for the first time is too big deal for it to happen off screen.

    The Ashoka series is going to have to show it. And show us Ashoka talking to Luke about Anakin and Padme.



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