Prime Time housing debate: Eoin O Broin vs Darragh O'Brien

I might just be incredibly misinformed.

I'm in Ireland and not looking but ya a lot of my renting was abroad.

One thing I don’t understand- ok we need private sector credit to build housing, fine. We should be using lots more public money to build, rather than rent social housing at extortionate prices, but whatever.

But how come in the boom years lots of that new housing was for sale, and now it seems to be all to rent from vulture funds? Especially with apartments.

Agree there is no easy solution to the mess but FG surely have to take massive responsibility for being in government for 10+ years and failing to plan ahead. The supply of housing on the market has just gone lower and lower every year under them.

And Micheal Martin has to take responsibility for stopping construction for half of last year for no bloody reason other than being afraid, and also for being in cabinet the last time this country imploded.

Btw I have no faith that SF will do any better, and O’Broinn annoys me. But would appreciate if someone could answer the building for sale/building for rental question.

So there should be no objections allowed to any housing at all so if a developer wants to build on grounds that are sports pitches they should be allowed and no one should object?

The councils need to get the finger out and chase these people who are not paying. Can they not go to court and get a payment order where they can deduct the money at source rather than waiting for the tenant to pay?

This is going on at all levels just look at how the state institutions react when there is a whistleblower and a light is shined on some of what they get up too. I do have to say that is a bit hard to see latest models cars in driveways of people who are living in social housing. When you see others struggling to do things the right way.

If we’re honest we know that the social housing system is been scammed and abused for years.

Everyone knows it.

Stay in a hotel for a year and get a brand new 3 bed house for pittance.

Move the fella in and live a very comfortable life while not really contributing anything worth while.

Yes yes I know not all the people do it blah blah.

But a massive chunk do and it’s getting worst.

You obviously don't understand the zoning element.

Is this the one in Raheny? They belonged to the school, a private entity, and the school sold that land on as was their right. It was one of the lesser used claims as animals people have never heard of are supposedly at risk. That's not to say the developers have not been tried to squeeze every last apartment out of the site. There's a compromise there but some are just outright NIMBYs. Once upon a time St Anne's had a great composting facility which was shut down because of alleged smells.

If the banned new builds being sold to anyone other than owner occupiers they would solve most of the housing crisis overnight.

...this is the only way out of this fire sector mess, less credit, and more publicly created money, period, but very few are truly willing to go there, not completely, including sf, the public institutions that are required for this still need to be created, in particular the public financial institutions.....

the whole fire sector process has ultimately brought us to vulture funds, and ultimately towards monopolisation of markets, as this is exactly what occurs when a financialised economy is facilitated and encouraged.....

I would love to know that % of top earners in the country would you need to be to buy a house in a half decent area (as a single person)? The top 10% of the country earn a salary of €70,000 per year. So the banks will only lend 3.5 times salary which is €245,000. We all know you definitely won't be buying for that. A half decent house in Dublin now costs €400,000.

Ideally a single person needs a salary of over €100,000 per year. What % of the population earns over €100,000 per year?

Nope I was only using that as an example. There are many legitimate reasons for objecting to planning permission, yes there are people who do it for nimby reasons and that should be eliminated but to remove objections is wrong. People here seem to want to build every where and screw a yone that objects. We all seen where that got us with the tiger era builds.

The State does nothing?

I know you can criticise the HSE, but they do something, not nothing. The same goes for the Garda, education, etc.

I agree that the 13.5% lower rate of VAT is a big high.