How can we integrate Unionism into a possible United Ireland?

In a lot of ways though the unionists are going to have to join us or else **** off and the nationalists too. After the 100 years of very slow painful growth the Republic has had I'm not suffering any "save Ulster from sodomy" nonsense.

A large part of reunification won't be about how we can placate the North but more about whether or not the North can sufficiently grow the fk up and not wreck an even bigger plot of land with their attacking little kids going to school style bllsht.

The last 24 hours has proven yet again why a United Ireland is just a dream.

Yes, we may have a vote and it may be passed, but we will never be united.

And I find that deeply depressing.

Ah here now - Unionists did a fair bit of their own terrorising in that period. Don't forget loyalists bombed Dublin/Monaghan, the biggest atrocity of the troubles and we are getting over it. Paisley spent a lifetime demonising everyone and spewing hate! I think he bears a lot of responsibility.

Talking about the kettle calling the pot black.

We should also not forget the collusion in those bombings,

Colin Wallace, a former high ranking member of British Army Intelligence in Northern Ireland and a psychological warfare specialist who exposed numerous scandals including the Kincora boys home and clockwork orange.

He gave evidence to the Barron inquiry saying "There is good evidence the Dublin bombings in May last year were a reprisal for the Irish government's role in bringing about the [power sharing] Executive. According to one of Craig's people [Craig Smellie, the top MI6 officer in Northern Ireland], most of those involved – the Youngs, the Jacksons, Mulholland, Hanna, Kerr and McConnell – were all working closely with [Special Branch] and [Military Intelligence] at that time.

In a further letter of September 1975, Wallace wrote that MI5 was backing a group of UVF hardliners who opposed the UVF's move toward politics. He added:

I believe much of the violence generated during last year was caused by the[Intelligence] people deliberately stirring up the conflict. As you know, we have never been allowed to target the breakaway UVF, nor the UFF, during the past year. Yet they have killed more people than the IRA!

I can assure you, Blanch.....the middle ground who identify as Northern Irish certainly don't have any great attachment to the farce that is Stormont.

An actual conversation with some of those middle ground folk and you'd immediately realise the deep frustration and disappointment most of them have with Stormont.....why you think maintaining it would convince them towards Unification is genuinely perplexing to me.

All you need now is to convince roughly a million people in NI, and the majority of the electorate in the South to vote for unification.

Ain't gonna happen.

if only they could have avoided that by, oh you know, being grownups and making northern ireland work and treating all equally?

instead they created an apartheid sectarian dump and then were shocked when it well, actually blew up.

to be honest i feel sympathy for modern unionism who are sick of the likes of the DUP but they need to get out there now and make this party and the belligerent unionism it represents history.

neither group are going anywhere and SF have being doing their bit to make things work so they need a modern opposition party to replace the DUP and do their own bit.

That is complete rubbish, completely ignoring the fact most people in the IRA and nearly the whole leadership who started the PIRA and who supported the IRA and nearly the whole leadership of the IRA in the early days were from the Republic of Ireland not Northern Ireland, you're also completely ignoring that most of the combatants came from England.

As I said the main cause of division and conflict for the last hundreds of years has been the British presence

How does reunification reduce costs……where is this saving that you have identified ?

Ironically it was De Velera who put it best when he said "there are real limits to which the Irish people would be prepared to go to accommodate unionists".

That's as true today as ever. I'd like a United Ireland at some point but i'm not willing to give up our flag, our anthem or join the commonwealth to have it.

the main costs of northern ireland are the subsidization of it's contribution to british institution, costs and contributions which are huge because of the size and expense of those institutions.

ireland doesn't have a monarky, only has a small military and no nuclear power plants among many examples of expensive costs, so therefore the costs of northern ireland reduce hugely.

there is still pensions but as the people worked for the UK government then they will be entitled to the pensions they paid into.

I like your almost Freudian slip on monarchy. It's like a mix of monarchy and malarkey which suits.

If you want to integrate Unionists into a possible future united Ireland, then the mentality behind the vandalism of the Glasnevin necrology wall has to be confronted and defeated.

So only some Irish people be remembered in the War of Independence? All Irish people should be remembered. Wanting this is not antagonistic. You seem to want the repeat the exact same mistakes of NI. One side dominates the other mentality. In a UI you want only to remember pro Independence Irish people who lost their lives because in a UI pro Independence will be the majority? History book repeating itself here.

Some Irish people wanted Ireland to remain part of the Union. Some lost their life fighting for this in the War of Independence. In a UI there would be close to 700k of them. But we will just ignore them and dominate them and not allow them have any memorials because a UI will only be for nationalists.

Your way of thinking is the exact same as the Unionists who think NI is this dominant jurisdiction for unionists only. No Irish language act etc because we form the majority and don't want it even tho it makes no difference to their lives.