To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

Any employer who asks you to remove an unvalved FFP2 and to replace it with a surgical mask needs to put it in writing. I would make this legal.

Why should anyone respect your decision to not wear a mask? The law would not. Respect the law. Fullstop.

I never said you were a legend either.

Wha? I know plenty of people who don't want to get covid or even dont want risk getting it again. Whether thats not wanting to risk taking time off sick or isolating to not risking giving it to family and friends who may have conditions such as asthma or are elderly etc. Granted there are some won't give a monkies.

There's a big difference between "afraid" of something and having a bit of cop on and common sense as things hopefully return to normal.

Yes we know people didn't wear masks in previous years to guard against flu etc, but we know a lot more about transmission of covid. And remember masks are just one part of infection control that has been recommended to help reduce infection.

Want? No. If it's needed that's a different matter. Do you accept things change and that infection control has moved on to where masks can be part of that control if needed?

"Pandering to the vulnerable"? Isn't that what a cynical way of looking at social housing, welfare and health care etc etc if you wish to be pedantic about it?

But if there is a serious outbreak of Influenza or other serious infection and obviously I don't mean the common cold or sniffles that some seem to mistake for the same, then I agree infection control measures could be brought in as appropriate.

Btw It's not about whether "me" or "you" wanting to wear a mask when restrictions are removed. If all restrictions are lifted - that will obviously include mandated masks so yeah if some want to continue wearing a mask - then that will be up to the individual but afaik we're not there yet.

Youv'e clearly never grasped the other half of why people wear masks and social distance, to reduce the chance of giving it and encouraging mutations.

It's not all down to fear, like you put it.

Maybe in 2020 and 2021 people aren't as pushed about that now either.

And again.. so what?

Covid IS NOT DANGEROUS to the overwhelming majority of people who catch it - even LESS so since Omicron became the dominant variant

For this majority, the phrase "A difference that makes no difference IS no difference!" applies. For the (thankfully!) small minority who actually ARE at potentially significant risk, they should of course continue to take precautions and actions based on their specific situation and medical advice.

But as I've said numerous time, no-one is stopping those who want to wear masks from doing so indefinitely if they so choose. However, expecting the rest of the population to do likewise is both selfish and nonsensical, no more than they did prior to 2020 for flu/winter season. Just stock up on the lemsip and soup and they'll be fine.

Eh this is a mask thread, hence my post from a report published by the CDC yesterday.

Just real-world evidence confirming basic principles and lab studies. Interestingly N95/KN95s came in at 83%, a figure we would have expected to be closer to 95-99%. Poor fit, leakage and fake's having a real part to play.

But you prefer to belittle and ignore my posts and instead rant about Covid not being "dangerous".

Don't need your "and agains" or your "as I've said numerous times" or your instructions to "stock up on the lemsip and soup".

@freshpopcorn But there was no discussion, I was tagged with a "And again.. so what?" "Covid IS NOT DANGEROUS" rant.

I must have miss understood you.

I just got the impression that this thread started off as a mask thread and people lost interest in it for a good while ago apart from yourself sharing links and one or few others and there was no real discussion going on until a few people such showed up here and it may have put people out by it.

How long were they hospitalalisted for?

Were they in hospital for anything else?

Had those children in ICU any underlying conditions?

Were those children fully vaccinated?

Would be some of the things I'd like to know for starters.

Children every year have underlying conditions that could be badly effected by catching a common cold/flu.

If I knew what these numbers meant I might have an opinion on them.

Congratulations, just bypass the tweet by Irish restaurant owner lying through his teeth about mask compliance which was what you pulled me on and start asking non related questions.

You must have missed or decided to ignore my question to you in the above post. Will repeat.

Should a request like this even be discussed seeing he is lying/exagerating?

Great - the staff who were masked all tested negative. Perhaps going forward there should be greater emphasis on people assessing their own risk and masking up if they feel they would be at risk. If masked teachers aren’t catching it in a classroom where the children are all unmasked and have a lower vaccination rate than adults, the chances of catching it in a supermarket with the vast majority being vaccinated and boosted and with some still wearing masks even when not mandated would be extremely slim.