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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Leaning into your lack of comprehension on the topic does not make you less wrong.

    Correlation does not equal causation

    Again, that is not how inflation works.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Your failure to accept that certain parties in government are happy that costs are going up for their short term gain suggests that your comprehension of average daily lives is severely lacking.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Believe it or not, back in 2007, I realised that the AGW/CO2 madness and the degree to which Irish people get sucked into religious beliefs, lead me to believe climate taxes would become so great they would bankrupt normal people. One of my most precient predictions comming true right now. Imagine it going forward as the CO2 taxes rise year on year: absolutebonkers.ie



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    You can collect some when you are getting the baby oil before visiting Teri.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    They pretend it's just about the fracked gas, but in reality they're against any LNG terminal being built.

    They have no answer for what happens when the wind doesn't blow, as it didn't for a 2 week period last year. I guess we just need to put on an extra cardigan. And no, the batttery storage technology is nowhere near ready to store forward the wind energy. Maybe in 20 years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Cumulatively random generation provided about 30 per cent of Irish electricity in 2021 compared with nearly 40 per cent in 2020, yes, you read that correctly despite more turbines overall output fell due to lack of wind. On top of that Dublin already has a constrained electricity supply situation, forget about more fast chargers for BEVs for a few years. Eirgrid are already redlining, the safety margin is gone and by 2030 at the current progression the country will be even more dependent on gas.

    Last year both EirGrid and the commission warned of a looming electricity shortage, driven by the closure of old power plants and an absence of replacements.

    They calculated that the deficit could be 260 megawatts (MW) of electricity in 2022-2023, rising to 1,050MW in 2023-2024 and 1,850MW in 2024-2025.


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    This is a recurring capacity payments cost to provide more gas backup. Random energy generation is not cheap if you want a reliable grid.

    The cost to the state for the first year of supply is €216 million and most of the suppliers are being offered ten-year contracts so the cost will be recurring.

    That will be paid each year regardless of whether the electricity is actually used.


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    The price increases are not a short term problem either and who is paying the balancing costs as a result of micro-generation?

    Most suppliers announced several increases between April and December. Price comparison specialist Bonkers.ie calculates that some families are paying €1,300 more a year for electricity than they were 12 months ago.


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    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    How about a pilot project to demonstrate the feasibility off fully wind/solar/battery electricity generation? As far as I'm aware there is no significant population centre that has yet achieved this. Yet our politicians have committed the country to 80% random generation within a decade. El Hierro is one of the Canary islands, it embarked more than a decade ago on constructing an electricity system consisting only of wind turbines and a pumped storage water reservoir. For scale El Hierro has a population ~11,000.



    How are they doing? As it turns out not very well. It has never come close to realizing the goal of 100% wind/storage electricity. However the worked it out in 2020 they had 1,293 hours of 100% renewables, there were 8,784 hours that year, that's 14.7%. They managed 42% random for 2020. (C.H. Gorona del Viento bottom middle). Roger Andrews (RIP) reckoned the island needs 40 times the pumped storage to meet their goals.

    If a demonstration project with favourable conditions can't work for reasonable cost, how many more billions does the Spanish government throw at this project to achieve 100%. More importantly for us in Ireland why is no political party willing to stand up and question this madness? I expect as the enormous costs become patent, the politics will shift rapidly and somewhat echo the UKs.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Great news for those wanting to upgrade their homes to a B2 level of insulation


    Some of the main points:

    • grants of up to €25,000 to 'deep retrofit' houses, covering between 45% and 51% of the cost of bringing older homes up to a B2 energy rating.
    • low-cost-loans
    • a network of 'one-stop shops' across the country to simplify the process.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,036 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Inflations benefits those with large liabilities as the value of their debts is eroded. Great news for big business to help erode their debts, sure they can always just put up their prices too. Not great for the layman - he cannot just increase his wage he receives from his employer.

    If you arent getting wage increases to match or beat inflation you are actively losing money. And it is infact a zero sum game - so just as most people are worse off from inflation, those who arent losing (cronies) are winning and making money.



  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭iColdFusion


    Article is pretty light on the qualification criteria so ill wait and see but pretty sure Ryan has committed to prioritising social housing for all energy grants as per the current SEAI grant system, little help for middle earners or those in post 2006 homes who would like to get a B2



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Has to be 100% grant and no eligibility criteria, anyone over forty isn't going to go into forty grand of debt for something they'll never see a payback for. Basically the bailout the banks got given to every house in the land, you want rid of oil and solid fuel heating there is no alternative .Greening cannot be profit led,



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Way grants usually go is actual cost plus grant so its just an illusion. 100% grant with no questions asked is the only way, Use the illegally collected USC for the last 5 years to pay for it.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Carbon budget proposals were put forward by the Climate Change Advisory Council last year.

    The Oireachtas Climate Committee has voted in favour of approving the carbon budget proposals

    Next up, a vote on the floor of the Dail.




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Recession coming, that oul shyte will have to wait,banks and cronies to be saved. Think its time you copped on that first world problems only occur in times of plenty



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,211 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Irish Times reporting that the grants will be only 50% of the total cost so people will still be expected to dig deep or take out loans. Laughable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,373 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    I know someone who is retrofitting a nineties house. got a a quote from a turnkey company who said the maximum you can get out of the current grant scheme was 2 thirds so he would have to find 30k and that was only heating and insulation not the rest of the renovation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    I'm 43 and counting down to the year when my mortgage is finally paid off. Why would I be stupid enough to add another 30k of debt on to my household? Won't be signing up to this deal on its current basis.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,716 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Electric and hybrid sales at 21% have overtaken diesel at 20% for the first time. Good news.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭dubdaymo


    This will prove to be the greatest con-trick of all time.

    I hope people will not be led astray into giving into this Green nonsense and getting themselves into even further massive debt for the rest of their lives. Think what else you could do with that sort of money if you had it.

    There are firms out there salivating thinking about the money they stand to get from the mugs who have been coerced and/or fooled into believing the way forward is to be housed in what is virtually a sealed container half-heated by an inefficient and noisy heat pump working all day.

    You'll have to use fan heaters or plug-in radiators to keep warm in colder weather.

    If you live in a housing estate, out in your back garden you'll be driven insane listening to the constant noise from your own pump plus at least the two houses either side of you and the three behind you.

    Everything to do with the Greens costs money and it's all based on the same type of fear-mongering we suffered under NPHET.

    Don't be fooled again.

    The bottom line to remember is that even if everyone in Ireland went through all this financial sacrifice it would not make even the slightest difference to the climate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,361 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Not to mention the cost and replacement of parts for all this new stuff.


    Its crazy money that people don’t realise.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,305 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...wouldnt be worrying about it too much, only a certain proportion of people will be willing and able to do so.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,211 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Anyone who gets a heat pump installed in their house when it wasn't designed for one, is off their rocker.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Why?



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,211 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Because they're not designed to be put into most houses. You need a sealed box with mechanical ventilation and in many cases insulation wrap to get any efficiency out of them. Costs an absolute fortune even after the proposed 50% grants. Give me a gas combi with instant hot water and heat any day.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Well mine is working out just fine. House was built in the sixties.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    It's Corrollas with bigger engines than their predecessors, greenwash and spin, nothing more. The fact that the diesel version of many models are no longer sold here and people are having to make do with stuff that will have questionable resale value.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    It's capped at €25k and I got the impression last night that you could be waiting quite a while even if the grant is approved,

    There'll have to be fixed electricity costs to make any justification as the current trend would suggest that if you halved the usage the unit cost would increase to cover the loss to the ESB.

    Any loan will likely be 10 years at 3-4%, €400 a month on top of existing payments



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭gifted


    So you'll save up to €500 a year on heating costs but you'll have to repay a loan which costs more a year and that loan could be a few years?



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