Russia - threadbanned users in OP

From 60 to 80 battalions now. But sure its all for the crack....

I see now that if one raises questions about the likelihood of an invasion of Ukraine by Russia; correctly places the Ukraine issue in a broader global context about the weakening status of US imperialism and the rise of other powers to varying degrees; points out accurate critique of the role of US imperialism and their faux concern about human rights and democracy illustrated by current (and historic) actions then apparently one is a 'pawn' and allegedly a climate change doubter and some kind of covid denier. Lazy sweeping generalisations and no evidence to back it up, just another day at boards as the 'experts' with their insight and knowledge gained from Twitter and for some a bit of travel to the East seek to ridicule any opposing view of their narrative!

According to one person ,

According to the same person Russia was planning to invade ...

Darn it !

Lol hello2dpersonbelow

Well, keep in mind there could be actual Russian experts here (ie. against the Russia hysteria). Probably unlikely given the quality of this thread but one can always hope.

The US and Ukraine are going on so much about this "false flag" stuff and Putin's invasion imminent (DM was even claiming yesterday Putin would be putting Ukrainians in "internment camps" meant to evoke images of concentration camps lol, as if there would be any possible logistical way anything like that could ever occur). https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10479699/Ukrainians-rounded-internment-camps-Putins-invasion-plan.html

but they are pushing the idea so much either one of two things will likely happen:

1) Literally nothing. As has been the case about twenty times before with a very similar sort of hysteria that Putin was about to move. They will frame it as Ukraine being a good guy and bitterly conceding unfair demands to avoid bloodshed which they will use as leverage for future propaganda.

2) There could be a false "false flag" and then America and Ukraine will say "SEE, we TOLD YOU there would be a false flag!!!". In reality it will be an actual Ukrainian attack on Russia designed to look like a false flag. Obviously the US won't likely have direct knowledge of it themselves as it would be too dirty for even them, but it is being repeatedly told to them by the Ukrainians with a wink and a nod that a "false flag" operation is under way by the Russians so that's what they're going with. Then the Ukrainians will show the "evidence" of the false flag.

Other possibilities are they might lie and say Russia attacked first when they didn't or something like that. Putin isn't attacking anyone first, he is lining his troops up as part of normal military exercises and to protest against NATO expansion.

Filatov's opening statement to the oireachtas 2022-02-02_opening-statement-his-excellency-mr-yuriy-filatov-ambassador-of-russia-to-ireland-russian-embassy-to-ireland_en.pdf (oireachtas.ie)

If the Ukranians say "attack is imminent!", that just means widespread panic, stopping of all foreign investments, and general instability. So obviously they're going to play it cool, while they prepare for the possible invasion.

You've gotta laugh at a government that speaks of security and fairness, while at the same time poisoning and murdering people throughout neighbouring countries. Then tries to paint an invasion of a soverign state as a coup instigated by a country half way across the planet.

People who swallow this rubbish are off their head.

Please tell me who in the 'western side' in this would like to set the world alight?

There's that lazy, simplistic and binary narrative once more.

What have Biden and Johnson got to do with Russia massing troops on ukraines borders? Tell me what they have done. Also what has Palestine, Yemen and Latin america got to do with it?

If you read any of my posts you'd note I'm not one of the alleged 'Pro Russian' posters you're excoriating, I don't support Putin or his government, Ukraine has every right to exist as an independent state. I can understand the fear in Russia about Ukraine joining Nato but thats not going to happen any time soon. There's no doubt though that Ukraine could become a base for future Western Military intervention against Russia so from Putin and Russia's perspective I can understand the concern.

As I've stated earlier you want to take a simplistic, binary approach here, this is not about good and bad, as I've stated the Western imperialists you seem to side with are dripping in hypocrisy here, nauseating lectures on democracy and human rights when they spend so much time underming both , either directly or by proxy.

Lastly as you raised it I was on the marches against the illegal invasion of Iraq, that invasion was never in doubt, it had been 13 years in the planning, once the neo fascist, neo cons came to power they set about implementing their project and 9/11 gave them the opportunity to unleash their war machine, and they did with some relish...the legacy and reality persists today not least in the form of Gitmo - human rights my ar$e!

This 'invasion' is far from certain and in my view and I've been consistent on this, it's not going to happen and was never going to happen...time will tell who's right .