Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

The deaths/excess deaths will be debated for years to come. I don't believe that underlying conditions come into it, we live in an era where only 12% of US adults are considered metabolically healthy, I'd guess we're not far behind. Age & obesity seem to have been the 2 main determinants for poor outcomes.

I posted the FT stats here earlier i the week from the UK. Omicron is currently running at twice as deadly as seasonal flu in the over 50s yet is 3 times as transmissible.

There will surely be tribunals in years to come but we already know when the ball was dropped. Moving staff into the nursing homes without heavy testing early days, the meaningful Christmas & then not opening more last summer. The cost benefit will never be undertaken, how many of those who died with an average age of 84 would have seen another summer & was the 30 billion in debt dumped on the working generations justifiable. It's a conversation that will never be had.

I see Orla Hegarty is still having her daily meltdowns on Twitter!!

Nope

Where did I say I was complaining? I actually enjoy reading her tweets

Lockdowns were a response based on fear and hysteria.

It was an emotional response as opposed to a data based repsonse.

Lives were lost, lockdowns didn't save any

Although the Vital Stats annual report 2020 won't be out until end 2022, let's have a look at Vital Stats Yearly Summary 2020

Deaths due to COVID:

COVID-19 Virus Identified and Virus Unidentified:

There were 1,672 registered deaths where COVID-19 was assigned as the underlying cause of death in 2020. There were a further 167 mortality records where there was a mention of COVID-19 in the narrative of the death certificate and where the underlying cause of death was not COVID-19.  A new information note is available outlining how the CSO assigns COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death.

So the figure is 1,672.

Let us compare that to the HSE figures = 2,299

So the difference is 627, quite substantial.

Someone was telling me if you are travelling to Portugal you still require a negative antigen test even if fully vaccinated incl. booster.

I don't understand this carry on now. With the WHO saying Europe is riddled with Omicron, what's the point?

It is a scandal that we are not using this phase of low hospital admissions to fast track introduction of hepafilters or equivalent measures in schools and workplaces.

What I’ve noticed since the start of the pandemic is the confusion that basic numbers seem to cause people in general. Given that this disease impacts people that are largely in quiet close to end of life (in general), to not factor this into an excess death analysis makes very little sense.

When RTE did their little street interviews in the last 6 months, about 90% of the people they cherry-picked randomly asked in the street would always say that they would refuse to eat in a resturant if they didn't either check their covid cert and even check their ID too. I also noticed quite a few boards posters who shared similar extreme views.

What is the story with this now that the restrictions have been lifted? Are people furious that they now have to share the same air-space with ANtiVaxrs and such?

Exactly! I remember one guy they asked who looked like he was wearing one of those glasses/moustache disguises and he saying about how he won't get the vaccine because Covid doesn't exist and is a story created by the government to keep people in their houses 😐️ Anyone with such fringe viewpoints would know better to talk someone from RTE...

Referring back to the discussion above around whether hospitalisations/ICU figures are any worse than other years. This guy from youtube (AvE) put a FOI request to the Canadian government to provide him with these figures. Quite interesting to say the least:

Anyone know why our ICU numbers arent going down to the same extent as they are in other countries? If you look at the UK for example , per capita its lower than us and tumbling down fast. Same in other European countries. Ours have been oscillating between 60 - 75 for a while now.

I'd agree, we had the panic after omicron emerged and then dropping of all restrictions when it turned out not to be as dangerous as delta was, it's why any analysis needs to take into account the variant that's dominant at the time, without Delta we'd probably have opened up as planned last year.