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The Joe Rogan Experience Podcasts

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    In ireland we are probably living in our best period economically,and socially are more free than ever before. This dystopia is not half bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,599 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    You don't know what a conspiracy theory is, and you suggest im stupid? Lol.

    I get it, you'd like a nice long sidetrack discussion about the definition of a conspiracy theory. And all to avoid the conspiracy theory a few posts ago in this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,599 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Anyone who pretended to know where covid came from at the start of the pandemic, was conspiracy theorising. Do you know how I know that? Its because nobody had a clue back then so pretending to know one origin or another was true, was probably conspiracy theorising.

    Waiting for the evidence, and a consensus to emerge, isn't conspiracy theorising. But only for the absolutely obvious reasons. Do you get the difference?

    Conspiracy theorist still is a slur -for anyone who understands the difference between real information and an anonymous tweet or afacebook post that agrees with your bias.

    The thing is thst more and more people can't tell the difference between real information and the entertaiers like JR.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,599 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    No idea. If you think that's what they're doing, make your case.

    Are you calling the tweet above, abductive reasoning and not a conspiracy theory?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,415 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    A dystopia world, ffs, I’ve heard it all now.

    We’ve never had it so good.



  • Registered Users Posts: 578 ✭✭✭VillageIdiot71


    Indeed, how suddenly Joe Rogan is apparently more powerful that the combined Governments of the democratic world is a wonder to behold. Suddenly he's right in the middle of Covid denial, racism and misogyny. All I'm waiting for is a headline "Pedo listens to Joe Rogan podcast while lurking outside school", just to get it all in there.

    If it's possible to take a step back. (And then another step back). Why are still talking about this? And I'm still here, so I'm including myself in this. Why am I, apparently, convinced that this is the defining issue of the moment. I mean, the guy is being treated unfairly and his podcast is being depicted in a ludicrous manner. He doesn't deserve being blaggarded like this. But I've already said that. Why do I feel a need to repeat? Isn't this part of the problem?

    Just as a little illustration of how ludicrous the situation is (to which we are all contributing our share), this thread started in 2011. It took about ten years to accumulate about 1,200 posts - call it an average of 10 posts per month. We've added another 400 posts in a couple of weeks, since Neil Young made his statement.

    If I post again in this thread, someone report me. If you need a ground, I'll just mention that in Pulp Fiction Quentin Tarantino delivers the line "Did you see a sign outside that says 'Dead N1gger Storage'? No? That's because there isn't a sign saying 'Dead N1gger Storage'". That should be enough to end my hopes of ever having a popular podcast on Spotify.



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    We may be doing well economically but we don't really have much of an intellectual debate in Ireland in terms of left versus right which may or may not be a good thing. Thankfully there is not much in the way of censorship either. But my point is that people were probably booted off social media for having opinions that might turn out to be true. Alex Jones was warning about Jeffrey Epstein type scenarios for years and everyone rolled their eyes like sure Alex there's a cabal of rich and famous people benefitting from sex trafficking sure whatever you say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,320 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    On the Tarantino thing, surely you realise that was a character he was playing?

    Joe compared black people to apes and has said they're less intelligent than whites.

    I do think he made a mistake going to spotif. He should say what he likes. But now he's answerable to spotify and they're well within their rights to censor him if that's what they want. Personally I think they knew what they were getting, but they're now his boss and he has to dance to their tune. Basically, he sold out big time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,247 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,320 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Correct. The conspiracy theory guys are great at changing the past. While they did say it came from a wuhan lab, that's definitely not confirmed or the general consensus now. They also thought covid didn't exist, it was the same as the common cold or the "scamdemic", they thought masks make people faint through lack of oxygen, they though the vaccine was a plan to kill people. Don't get me started on Q and their underground tunnels of kids and cities of prisoners and barges to gitmo



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,599 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Wokerati. Groan.

    Did you seriously follow a sentence suggesting I smear everything I don't like, with the term wokerati? Are you trying to break irony?

    Sure. It's all 50:50. Nothing is a conspiracy theory

    Look, back in the real world, you're making excuses for a conspiracy theory, pretending you don't know what a conspiracy theory is and favouring suggesting I'm stupid instead of even acknowledging the conspiracy theory. I think you can do better.



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    Haha..say it again..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭HerrKapitan


    I suppose there is some missing context to that also.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,599 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah qanon makes thousnadsnof claims. It's inevitable thatnsoem of them will turn out to be true. The question is whether they're using a reliable method to reach theor conclusions. And the answer to that is absolutely not.

    There's doesn't seem to be any method to the qanon claims anymore since QAnon themself, stopped posting. Qanon supporters have started making things up as they go along and forgetting every predictionnthe minute it fails to manifest.

    Bill Cosby, Jimmy Saville, some high status Catholic clergy, Jeffery Epstein. They're examples of deviants. To go from the qanon claims to the actual truth takes serious cherry picking. You'd be as successful if you made a thousand claims a year and wait to see which ones actually come to pass and ignore all the rest, and declare yourself insightful. It's total guff.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think the bigger picture is this. Joe Rogan has a podcast. If he says something that violates the law of the land, then he should face the full consequences of that. But if he is sharing opinions that you don't like or agree with, that alone is not reason to ban him. Doesn't matter how popular he is. Nobody has the right to deny other people the right to listen to nonsense if they are stupid enough to want to listen to nonsense. I don't like the show Loose Women on tv and I think they talk a lot of nonsense that gullible people swallow whole. But I would never think they should be censored or have disclaimers over the programmes. Adults have a responsibility to inform themselves. Nobody should be playing censor for other adults.



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    Really? Like the Wuhan lab leak theory is untrue? Do you still think it came from bats in a wet market or something? Come on. Remember we talk about communist China. Chances of the real truth being openly revealed being close to zero.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,599 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    No of course, I'm very stupid. You've already made that point a few times. I think you're tight that conspiracy theories have taken off in the last few years. JR plays his part in introducing lots ofnpeopel to the conspiracy theorists. The flat earth stuff is an good example but the qanon conspiracy theory is a big one. The scamdemic and pandemic were big conspiracy theories over the last few years and the conspiracy about the political movenent to cancel JR because he's stealing the democrats audience or whetever the one a few posts ago inthis thread was about. You might call them abductive reasoning and that's your right. But I think you're better than that.

    They're based on nonsense. That much is pretty obvious.



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    Why is q anon being brought up?..

    Just another attempt to muddy the waters and lump Joe in with them..

    The lowest form of discourse..



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,594 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    That was a great episode. Very informative in a time of confusion. I always thought it a pity he didn't get Osterholm back on the show further into the pandemic.

    I think a lot of people got a lot from that episode.

    To paraphrase a recent Jimmy Carr joke..." but no one wants to talk about the positives".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,599 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Because he has conspiracy theorist* like Alex Jones on his show. Alex Jones loves selling the qanon conspiracy

    Abducive reasoners, if you prefer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    I think a lot of people put forward a false dichotomy. JR just started having long online conversations with people he found interesting. No plan, no agenda, no nothing. Turned out he became very popular because he just let people speak at length. Then he became a threat to mainstream media and politicians so now they have gathered forces with ignorant artists ( sorry Neil, but you are ☹) doing their 'moral duty to society', the Truth being a monolitic entity with those opposed and spreading 'misinformation' in need of illimination. The Ministry of Truth, in short, with a Politburo.

    People trying to dismiss him as 'an entertainer' have got it wrong. He is genuinely interested in his guests and topics unlike a lot of mainstream fuzzy bears filling their slots w shortsighted drivel. He is neither the smartest nor the stupidest guy but just the average guy willing to stick his neck out and not halted by self sensoring. He has guts. That in itself is entertaining. And THAT is exactly the reason for the attack. He has fully acknowledged he gets it wrong at times. People hate his insensitivities to the Woke crowd, the online world and mass media and his opponents digging up every bit of ammo to combat him ironically providing him with an even bigger platform. Now it is virtually impossible NOT to know about him. Unintended consequences indeed. He is untouchable, not a deplorable (courtesy of Hillary).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,697 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    The Internet brain is strong on this thread.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    It's odd that conspiracy theories are being brought up in in the Joe rogan thread at all. I think he only believes in the Jfk one and has given episodes to discussing the American government possibly hiding alien existence or covid may have come from a lab but is not fully committed to either. Unfortunately qanon has developed hundreds of theories some of which are easily disproved like there being a child dungeon under a pizzeria or biden is actually dead



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    But Jones never got into the q stuff..

    Your entire viewpoint is based on fabrication..if you don't have a clue what you're talking about why are you here calling for censorship?..really..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,599 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Of course he's an entertainer. He's not just a guy having chats that interest him. He's employed to get as many clicks as possible. Controversy sells. Conspiracy theorist, sell. He isn't paid to be an educator or peddle good Information, he's paid to peddle whatever information gets the clicks. Alex Jones spouting gibberish will sell better than some sober discussion of reality.

    The narrative about JR just being an honest broker, a lone wolf, lost in the savage world of the crooked media, is bonkers. He's a member of the broader media, who peddles in whatever sells, including conspiracy theories.

    Expecting to be immune form accusations of peddling conspiracy theories because he just has the conspiracy theorists on his show, is bonkers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,599 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    OK. Just link to the post where I called for censorship.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Well, you are obviously doubling down like so many, deaf and blind to reasonable assertions. Dismiss him at your peril. The Trump effect will kick in. I fully expect his support to grow fuelled by the likes of you, especially in the areas outside the US..



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    You've called him having a huge audience an issue..

    Come on..you know what you're doing..

    And you're too stupid to see the consequences..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,027 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    No, there's nothing missing.

    The comedian guy was exploiting people desperate for a break and the Rogan fella was whooping and laughing at the thought of it.

    Google it yourself. I was not sure if it was the same fella, but it is. He has been very dismissive and disrespectful to women on his "show! as the clip about the primate expert showed earlier.

    Seems a bit of a knob and now a tinfoil hat wearing knob.



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    Hopefully he will get a guy like this on again soon after Rogan's recent "will do better" video



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,320 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Joe and the primate expert really sums covid info in the last few years up.

    A podcaster shouting down and telling an expert in her field that she's wrong because he did his own research online.

    Wonder if he ever apologised to her?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,247 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    I don’t know what caused it and nothing would surprise me or any other vaccinated non conspiracy person I’d imagine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,374 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    his laughing at the comedian who coerced women to blow him is fairly **** behaviour. He’s lucky to avoid a bigger backlash at the time for that.

    I listen to plenty of pods, I pretty much hate joe rogan, I find him a boring interviewer who ruins a good format by not being a very good conversationalist. The constant same topics being trawled over; hunting, DMT, survivalism, fitness, combat, California being too liberal and badly governed, conspiracies. I don’t see curiousity about the world from him. Just curiously and faith in a limited scope of topics.

    It’s a poor reflection of modern culture that this is the biggest podcast in the world. I believe in free speech but personally I couldn’t shed any tears if he’s done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,374 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Howard stern will be next for the chopping block once they are done with Rogan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,154 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Ironically, if he gets binned by Spotify he'll actually probably grow his listenership, as it's at least slightly limited now by having a platform-wall. He owns the show itself, so if he parts ways with Spotify you could see him moving to an ad-based model across the whole range of podcast platforms, and reaching more people.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    The way it is going with cancel culture and hate speech legislation overall there is a space for an independent platform on the internet separate from the Google infrastructure via the Playstore (banned platforms). Some have suggested Elon Musk should set it up and invite JR as a first player with many to follow. If Google refuses to let people have access via their Android phones and/or the phone companies themselves that would be another niche market for Elon, a kind of Apple like based system. Could work unless the people trying to put legislation in to police the internet get their way which would be the final nail in the coffin of free speech..



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm surprised some other Podcaster hasn't started eating into Joe's listenership. As big as his show is, it's not rocket science, and he's nothing special. He'll even say that himself.

    It'll be interesting where the podcast space in general goes. A passing fad perhaps, although I do enjoy them myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,320 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    You're delusional if you think that'll work. Take a look at any "free speech" website. Overrun by edgelords promoting hitler, "legal" child porn etc. Google runs due to advertising. Who wants to advertise on a platform that will be known for that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    They already have it. Called the dark web. And its really dangerous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I thought Parler was supposed to be this? Or wasn't Trump coming up with some new platform? I see a conservatives minister was coming out against Jimmy Carr for his Gypsy joke saying it would banned under hate speech legislation so it does seem to have gone mainstream in even the UK and not just the Left involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,374 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    That was just a statement of fact. What Jimmy Carr said (out of context) was hate speech.



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Parler was de-platformed. That is why we need a different, independent platform. Not the dark web as such but simply one with a wider net. You know, the one we used to have with a proper amount of freedom. You can even have a discussion amongst group members where the boundaries lie like in a, well you know, democracy where the angry mob and moral crusaders cant get to you. Where the online Politburo cannot armwrestle weak politicians to make idiotic statements that have consequences. To quote:" keep on rocking in the free world"!

    No need to accept pornography or outright bigotry..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    If Parler is the blueprint than I think this free speech platform would probably become just an American right wing echo chamber. A bit like a slightly more adult version of 4chan. I think Jordan Peterson tried to create a left and right wing talking ship type website but the interest as just not there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,632 ✭✭✭archfi


    Yep.

    'Woke' safetyism crosses party lines - at it's essence it's a tool of the powerful (left, centre and right nowadays) to reduce freedoms cheered on by people who, in the case of JC's bit, simply don't get a joke.

    The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

    The Entryism process: 1) Demand access; 2) Demand accommodation; 3) Demand a seat at the table; 4) Demand to run the table; 5) Demand to run the institution; 6) Run the institution to produce more activists and policy until they run it into the ground.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,632 ✭✭✭archfi


    Mainly, I think, because why would the new 'left' leave a bubble created and curated (or moving towards a singular cultural view) for their views.

    The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

    The Entryism process: 1) Demand access; 2) Demand accommodation; 3) Demand a seat at the table; 4) Demand to run the table; 5) Demand to run the institution; 6) Run the institution to produce more activists and policy until they run it into the ground.



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