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Moonfall (Roland Emmerich)

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I'm beginning to think Emmerich might be working something out through his movies. I get the impression he'd love to see the world burn.

    Can't see much difference between this and Independence Day 2 TBH; in fact I could have sworn the same cataclysm happened in that film too but no - it was a giant moon-sized alien spaceship wrecking the Earth.

    Pity he insist on going so big; cos White House Down was a great "Die Hard in the White House" film that unfortunately lost out to Olympus Has Fallen.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,690 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    @pixelburp I'm beginning to think Emmerich might be working something out through his movies. I get the impression he'd love to see the world burn.

    It's the viewers who want to see the world burn. There's a cultural obsession with apocalyptic and dystopian narratives that borders heavily on fantasy and wish-fulfillment.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Of course, and maybe CoVid might have dislodged some from this wishful, empty nihilism; but when a single director keeps making movies of this type ...? And never post apocalyptic, wallowing stuff - just the destruction. Directors have tells, but they're usually small visual motifs or a running theme. Emmerich's CV barely has variances, the motifs the entire visual canvas of his many apocalyptic movies. I say the guy is processing something 😆



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,066 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    It’ll still make a **** load of money at the box office and be deemed a success for that.

    so why shouldn’t he keep making that type of film?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,690 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Some directors do end up the equivalent of being typecast. They find a niche which they are good at and which everyone is throwing money at them to make more of. Like Michael Mann with crime movies or Fincher with serial killer movies, Emmerich’s name is associated with apocalyptic disaster movies and he would probably have a hard time getting funding for anything else.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I never said he shouldn't? To be clear, I'm not psycho-analysing Ronald Emmerich😆🙄, it's just interesting just how typecast (as Sad Prof says) a director can become, be it through choice or that he just enjoys burning down the world.

    To the film and trailer itself, it does look like just another late-Emmerich smashy smashy while Independence Day 2 was a flat, baggy film with none of the humanity his earlier work had going for it. Never saw Midway mind you. Cliché as they were, Independence Day had memorable, defined characters to root for. Even 2012 worked it's "divorced dad" story into the tale of mutated neutrinos 😆 while IMO White House Down was his best film in years, and the smallest scale.

    Like Zemeckis, I wonder has Emmerich kinda lost himself in the FX of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,643 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    So when is this out then and no I did not look at the trailer as that would ruin the film?

    I like the name if it not because its a disaster movie but it has a cool name.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    I love this genre.

    Interstellar this is not; but I'm in.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Another trailer has dropped;




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Well.. that definitely gererated a bit more hype in me than the first trailer. Not sure about those... swarm things? .. they might be a bit much if they are the big bad and get overdone.


    Something feels better aligned in the trailer though for sure.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I thought it was just a simple "moon gets too close" disaster flick but all the black goo whizzing around looks like Emmerich is really diving into full Sci-Fi territory (not that 2012 and its "mutating neutrinos" was a pillar of scientific versimilitude)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    not an Iron Sky reboot then lol , they really know how to return to the well

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Yeah, I think I'd have preferred something like an asteroid knocking the moon off course (insert movie maths in here) to whatever alien agency is controlling the moon. Not sure I'll be able to accept whatever motive for sloooooowly destroying the earth they come up with.

    And nice to see Samwell Tarly made it out of Westeros!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I bet cinema makers wish they were back in the 70's when you premise a whole show off of nuclear waste exploding sending the moon off to explore the galaxy and no questions would be asked lol

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88,569 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I thought Patrick Wilson was Chris Pratt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,116 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Maybe Skyfall gave him the germ: "What if it wasn't the whole sky, just the moon"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    It's on airplane mode! 😁


    This looks like solid leave-brain-at-door fun! 🙂





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,823 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    Yup - big bag of popcorn, cgi laden, no critical thinking and enjoy the ride - looking forward to it



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I'm not immune to Emmerich's charms but ye gods that comic sidekick character looks like it might kill the enjoyment if the self-aware commentary is that constant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,597 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    well that looks awesome.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    I'm on board.

    Statue of Liberty better be on its side in the Hudson Bay though.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Not even going to waste energy going in-depth on something this utterly terrible, but it's bad - incredibly bad.

    The only saving grace maybe is that with a few friends it's kinda leaning into "so bad it's good" territory.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,261 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Looks very generic to me. Trailer did nothing for me. Too many silly jokes, references to the internet and nothing that stood out.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,340 ✭✭✭p to the e


    My first thought when I saw the trailer was I wonder how much China money is in this? Turns out quite a lot.

    Hale Berry's choice of films is worse then her taste in men. Oh snap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,066 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Is this as bad as Independence Day 2? That was shocking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭Homelander



    I would say it's about on par quality wise, though I hated ID2 far more because it was the sequel to such an iconic classic and as such I had somewhat reasonable expectations....that were crushed flat.

    Moonfall, expected little to nothing, absolutely got little to nothing. Not a big deal, no great surprise.

    Emmerich made Midway recently enough, while not good exactly, is at least competent.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,923 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    It generated a fun Mark Kermode rant at least.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭santana75


    I think I've seen the worst film ever made and it's name is "Moonfall". This is truly awful. Halle Berry has proven in the past that she can actually act and patrick wilson is always great. But not even patrick wilson can salvage anything worthwhile from this. I've never been so painfully aware that I was watching people act. The dialogue is horrendous and the explanation for it all is comical. Do not under any circumstances pay money to see this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Kermodes phrasing of "radioactively stupid" is rather marvellous. While I haven't seen this yet I feel like I've already seen siblings with Emmerich's recent work and the above is a perfect encapsulation of his style.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,066 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Makes geostorm look like a hard hitting documentary on climate change!!!! Lol!! 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Silly. Very very silly, but fun. I think I would have preferred a straight disaster movie though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,183 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Review starts:00:00:01

    Mark: Moonfall (Chuckle)

    Simon: Excellent.


    Grabs the popcorn (NOT for the movie...



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The other thing from Kermode's review I had forgotten to check, was his comment this the film was the most expensive "independent" film ever produced. And ... yeah; according to Wikipedia it is indeed an independent production. Ooof; someone's going to lose their shirt over this.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,261 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'm one of those who just needs to go to the cinema every so often but I still can't forgive ID2. I actually think it's the worst film I've ever seen. Somehow even worse than Mrs Brown's Boys D'Movie.

    Not surprised that people are giving this a wide berth.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,178 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    After wacthing the video you posted about Bruce Willis getting paid a millions to be fed lines throught an ear peice and look bored for two days work and those movies all turn a profit. I'm sure this will eventually break even with deals made to streaming platforms.



  • Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭_gir


    Trailers looked rubbish, screamed of Independence Day 2



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    True. One can never discount the dark arts of Hollywood financing; or indeed Netflix's open chequebook; but you'd have to speculate that something with that large a budget would need a huge payday to break even. Those Bruce Willis titles looked like they were made for only 50k more than Willis' paycheque - can't imagine it took much effort to break even there!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,178 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    An "independent"  movie with no real studio ties could start a nice bidding war between Netflix, Prime, HBO Max, Paramount+, Peacock, Hulu/Star, Apple, Roku all who need content and when you attach Hallie Berry (who is still an A list star not a washed up one) to the title people will watch on one of those platforms some night when they are bored.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭Shred


    I liked the look of this when I saw the trailer recently but about halfway through I said to myself "oh wait, it's not Roland Emmerich is it?!" 😁 The man has made some unbelievable tosh - 2012 being the worst that I've seen; I really like 'The Day After Tomorrow' but everything else is the worst kind of cliched Hollywood garbage imo (and I include Independence Day 1 in that - which I liked when it came out, but I was young and impressionable then 😛).



  • Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭paulieeye


    Ya, I assuming you're talking about the red letter media video on it. I think they said the Willis could get up to 2 mil and that would be 98% of the budget. They were probably exaggerating but lets say the budget is 2.5mil, handy enough to make that back through the need for streaming content.

    150mil on the other hand!! but it'll probably do well in China



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Yeah; shared the RLM video in another thread; as to China, well that depends if the film is going to open there at all. Cos if it ain't, the movie's dead as a doornail, box office wise anyway.

    I'd prefer to see Emmerich try and pare things back, take another stab at something at the level of White House Down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    I'm now 100% convinced these movies are a money laundering exercise.

    I'll never forgive him for the independence day sequel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,183 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    I have no problems with Big Dumb Movies. As long as they are fun, well-made Big Dumb Movies. It's why I cannot stand the Transformers movies. I don't mind plot-holes in blockbusters but the transformers movies in particular has no through-line consistency. There is no reason for X to happen to Y at Z location other than it looks cool..... The last Transformers film I saw in the movies was, I don't know, the one with the Pyramid? I was in the cinema in Blanchardstown. My gut sinking as I watched those horrific Googly-eyes, big-lipped, gold-toothed, illiterate "urban" stereotypes straight from the 40's surrounded by families of all colours (There was more than one or two angry faces let me tell you).

    But on to ID2. I never thought much of ID but that's just me. But, again, there was no flow to the story. Oh. They are on the moon. Understood. OK. Now they are in London.. OK.. Now on the... On the moon? Oh no, it's him on the moon. But isn't he on another spaceship. OK. Now in the desert.. And in Space again?

    Big Dumb Movies are just as much part of the cinema as the latest Lars Von Trier mope-fest (Regardless of Scorsese's ill-judged statement - And I think he was taken slightly out of context. But anyway). They have their place as much as any other film. In fairness to them, they are a VITAL part of the industry. Sure, one may complain about Marvel movies hoovering up billions of dollars for Disney but for your local cinema this means multiple screens full. Lots of food/drink sales. This also means that other larger movies tend to stay away from these tentpole movies. Which frees up space for smaller movies for the smaller screens in the same cinema. Last week I went to see Belle. Sure, it was a pretty major release in Japan but there is no denying that there is not really a huge demand for subtitled Japanese animation on a Wednesday night in West Dublin :) They were showing it on their large screen.


    TLDR: BDMs have their place. I LIKE BDMs...I just hate poorly constructed Big Dumb Movies which is what Emerich makes... again... and again... and again... And them complains about Superhero movies being all the same.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,261 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I don't actually object to the idea of silly, stupid or dumb films at all. Often, they can be quite fun. 


    I feel like we had a golden age of films that fell into these categories but were made as serious productions. When it feels like studios are making bad films on purpose, it ruins the fun for me. I still expect the companies making these things to put in an effort. Otherwise, it feels lazy and the cinema isn't cheap. 


    I'm fine with films that are like snacks but snacks still have to taste good. That's the point of them. Moonfall looks like tediously bland, corporate nonsense that someone in a boardroom thought might catch on if they made it memey enough. Or Bad Moon Rising, The Movie. 


    I used to like the Bay Transformers films. The latest one, The Last Knight permanently ruined this subgenre of stupid films for me. It was almost the worst thing I've seen in a cinema and I'm done with the franchise as a result. 

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,183 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    So, in this day of "Cancel Culture" where someone can be "Cancelled" (Yawn) for spur-of-the moment, out of context comments (I'm not justifying these comments, just saying we have all posted stuff without thinking about them from time to time 😀), look at this below.

    • Someone wrote those lines
    • Someone performed those lines
    • Someone....... someone DESIGNED those characters to look EXACTLY like that
    • Some APPROVED those character designs.
    • Someone spent months animating those characters.

    And EVERYONE was OK with this... (Same could be said of course for the Me So Solly aliens in Star Wars Episode one.... Or... y'know... Episode one :) )



    But to your point regarding making intentionally bad movies. I can understand that from the likes of those Asylum-type studios. But Moonfall is 150 million. Assuming the same again for marketing. That's a LOT of money to be made back. It's strange to think how dated it actually seems. Disaster Movies? So 2000s. Pffft.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,448 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Another flop from an ex GOT "star". There does seem to be an amusing link between expensive flops/awful movies and GOT.



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    I dunno, I went with absolutely zero expectations and I enjoyed it for what it was. The interior moon scenes looked great, it moved along at a decent pace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,660 ✭✭✭✭Skerries


    I was tempted to go see this in the cinema at the time, glad I didn't now



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