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Yet another young woman attacked by a male. When will it end?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭SamStonesArm




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    In your opinion is it ok for men to think that a woman has nice features, as in arse,booobs,eyes/legs etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,441 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Don't be ridiculous - you repress those thoughts and don't dare ever say such a vile thing to anybody in private.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,863 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Would have to agree especially in the workplace women are far worse than men for making comments about the opposite sex from my experience.

    I used to go to lunch with a group of women and one of them in particular would say inappropriate things about men and was openly saying sexual things to a young new hire who was very uncomfortable about it but done nothing in regards making a complaint.

    This same person complained constantly about men looking at her and making her uncomfortable and has made at least one complaint I know of to HR for a man she claimed kept staring at her.

    Glad I no longer work with her.



  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭rightmove


    Ironic that its the women that do the behavior that complain about it. It seems they can have it both ways because its exercising power. They know the young lad would never go to hr FFS.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,863 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Well yes it is just a personal experience I had.

    In fairness most of the other women who are or maybe still are work friends with this women just rolled their eyes and said nothing and tried to just move on the conversations anytime she started.

    But I never seen anybody get onto her for what I would class as bullying, but it's probably easier avoiding getting into conflict with someone like that in a work setting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 805 ✭✭✭CreadanLady


    The MFV Creadan Lady is a mussel dredger from Dunmore East.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,024 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    Obviously, don't be a dick, but saying "Jesus, did you see her arse/tits etc isn't juvenile or threatening. It's human.

    It's not so innocent as you would like to think. Such focused attention and remarks desensitises people engaging in it in seeing a target of such remarks as a person, while increasing your sensitivity in seeing them as sexual objects.



  • Registered Users Posts: 965 ✭✭✭SnuggyBear


    I have been doing better as a man lately. I completely ignore all women.



  • Registered Users Posts: 965 ✭✭✭SnuggyBear


    Women can do what they want at work. I've been grabbed by the arse, foot stood so I can't move. Constant innuendos and sexual comments. All in one direction and unwanted. Imagine a man doing these things? It's usually married women by the way.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ha. Nah. I don't agree.

    I think it's perfectly reasonable and more pertinently, natural, for people to pass remarks about other's attractiveness.

    What a world we would live in if such a thing was seen as dangerous.





  • Basically the etiquette for any gender is not to casually remark on the physical qualities of the individuals of the target gender of their sexual desire, and if such desire is felt and the situation is appropriate the individual should be approached in a comfortable way as to enquire would they possibly like to enjoy individual company.

    All that would mean not remarking to anyone on what you might be finding attractive (or think others might be finding attractive) until after a consensual relationship has been established.

    At least that would be the theory so that nobody feels unnecessarily hassled or uncomfortable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,951 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Well there are not many women who would respond well to what could be described as a form of sexual tourettes, where people have to comment on "tits/asses/legs" for no reason other than their own amusement and use words such as "ample assets" and behave like Benny Hill chasing the lad down the road.

    I'd say there is a very limited market and tolerance for that type of man.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,024 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    Well, I prefer to be aware of what are consequences of my doing and not harm my perception of the world unnecessarily.

    There are some men out there, who can only joke about sex and see the whole world in this way. They weren't born that way, they become such people.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Look at all the men hear giving out that women are harassing them - well, have you ever done anything about it?

    Why DON'T you make a complaint to HR? Why DON'T you speak up if womens' conversations are making you uncomfortable?

    Is it because you're afraid if you say anything you'll be slagged by your male colleagues?

    Or, as it seems to be the pattern, you're waiting for someone else to take the initiative so you don't have to do it yourself?

    Women are miles ahead of men in this. Less and less women are putting up with this kind of behaviour (especially not in the workplace) and do speak up and action does get taken, so why don't you follow their example? What's holding you back?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I am very aware of the consequences of remarking about the attractiveness of others to my friends.

    Zero. Zero consequences.

    (unless my wife hears)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    in seeing them as sexual objects.

    I always wonder at these kind of comments. Who see's anyone as only sexual objects? Like, I know many players and committed bachelors, and I've never heard women being described that way. Same with guys I know who avail of prostitutes or watch porn regularly (without any embarrassment). It sounds like the same childish attitude that @Anewme was referring to when guys used boobies or such. Something that is likely to be extremely rare when compared to the vast majority of people.

    I think that's buying in too much to the feminist driven theories, and/or overly focused research/theory papers made by people who feel the need to do such papers just so that they retain their funding. Such things just aren't applicable to real people and the real world. Grand for echo chambers of people looking to validate their biases, but not terribly realistic.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That won't work. You'll be considered Incel because you're not giving women the attention they deserve.

    Yes, there's a general double standard. Feminism operated without any serious parallel movement for male rights. So, there's all these initiatives and belief systems in place to protect the rights and needs of women, but there wasn't any real {reasonable} opposition to guarantee that they be applied equally. So, while Feminism operated under the guise of seeking equality, in reality, women's rights were promoted, without any real desire for changes to be applied equally to both genders.



  • Registered Users Posts: 805 ✭✭✭CreadanLady


    Regarding women in the workplace or wherever making bawdy jokes or passing comments on delivery boys or male co-workers, it is too simplistic to say that it is in the same league as the same from a few men about a female worker. It just isn't like that, even though the exact same actions are being made. The dynamic of the situation just totally different.

    If men were passing comment and being bawdy towards a young female colleague, apart from being annoyed and offended, she would be justified in being worried that it could escalate, at that moment or in the longer term, to full on abuse or rape.

    A few middle aged women making bawdy comments towards a young male colleague, while annoying and possibly offensive, realistically the young fella doesn't have to worry about being last to leave in the evening in case one or more middle aged women commits the physically impossible act of rapin him in a dark corner of the car park or the store room.

    That is the difference and why one is more serious than the other. The potential for escalation and serious harm is immeasurably greater when it is male on female. With female on male, it would be almost unheard of for it to progress beyond an annoyance for the male concerned. The power dynamic is just totally different between the two situations.


    I will tell you 2 stories.

    I was involved in an amatuer drama very recently with a group of 20s-30s guys and girls. One of the 30s female characters is to look one of the younger early 20s cast members up and down as part of the play. During rehearsals and practice of that scene one of the mid 20s females was saying "oh do a proper perv now, make sure you get a good eyeful etc etc". Another one of them said "ya, i woulda just felt him up a bit" etc. There followed more comments in that vein egging each other on. It wasn't an issue, the lad was laughing at it too and having the banter.

    Reverse the situation and have a few lads making bawdy comments towards a young female actress and it would not have been a good experience.

    The reality of it is that, real world, males and females are not equal in those situations. Again, it comes down to the potential for excalation and harm in the female on male scenario, and the virtually absence of that for female-on-male variant of the scenario.


    Another story. I know a woman who was leaving a job at a professional services firm. In her farewell whole-workplace email, she said all the bye-bye usual stuff, but then she named out a few imminently former male colleagues who she said if they had not been married she would have ripped their cloths off and pinned them to the wall. Now, that was going a bit too far and was unprofessional. However, it only drew humorous joking replies but a couple of weeks later a female director contacted her to say it was out of order and that it shocked quite a few people.

    Now, imagine if a man said that in an email about a former colleague, there would be war. The named fellas in that email were hardly left in fear of women and in need of counselling after the email. My guess is they probably laughed it off or just treated it as the unprofessional WTF moment that it was.

    But it is understandable that there is a double standard there - one situation is likely to cause far more fear, and has potential for escalation and serious harm and the other situation simply does not.

    The MFV Creadan Lady is a mussel dredger from Dunmore East.



  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭rightmove




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  • Registered Users Posts: 805 ✭✭✭CreadanLady


    I suppose the tl dr of it that basically, yes there is this sort of double standard in society. But at the end of the day it is a largely justifiable double standard, because of the different dynamic and the potential for escalation and harm, or the lack of it.

    The MFV Creadan Lady is a mussel dredger from Dunmore East.



  • Registered Users Posts: 965 ✭✭✭SnuggyBear


    I suppose if you only count physical harm as harm.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    You are completely wrong.

    In every way.

    "she would be justified in being worried that it could escalate, at that moment or in the longer term, to full on abuse or rape."

    smh.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy




  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭rightmove




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What an exceptionally bad take.

    I hope you realise that is incredibly insulting to men who have been the victim of abuse.

    You wouldn't in a million years be so flippant or uncaring if you were speaking about women who have been assaulted or groped.

    The crazy amount of double standards and sexism from some women on here is baffling.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why not answer the question, instead of being flippant?

    Come on, let's hear it.

    When men feel harassed or uncomfortable by female behaviour, why don't they open their mouths and say something?

    What's stopping you?



  • Registered Users Posts: 965 ✭✭✭SnuggyBear


    Here's some comments I heard lately at work.

    Go up that ladder so we can look at your bum. Do you want me to come in there and give you a hand when I was going into the toilet. When am I going to see that bed of yours? All from 3 different women.

    Oh but women are angels and all men are bad men. Give me a break.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There could be 100's of reasons.

    Not being believed/embarrassment/shame/lack of proof....

    actually, look at reasons women have given for not reporting sexual abuse/assault. The answers will probably be quite similar.

    The only difference is that you wouldn't be so flippant or be so unsympathetic when it comes to women.

    Disgusting attitude.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭zv2


    That's hypocrisy. Most comments are innocent enough but when they are dangerous they are equally dangerous for men and women. A comment in the workplace doesn't lead to rape. When comments are made to humiliate that is when the door opens to further abuse. And humiliation of men is often the objective. Why? Because women are constantly told that being obnoxious towards men is a sign of 'equality' and liberation.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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