The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

Flores has put in some chaos into the NFL. 3 main allegations I can see.

Ross tried to get him to interfere with a qb from a different team. Presumably Watson, which would contrary to the stories the Dolphins have put out since Flores departure.

Ross offered him money to tank. They had an obvious tank season and Flores won a few games with them. This would have massive waves in the betting businesses who represent a lot of cash.

Finally that the Giants job had been decided on before his interview showing that were not following the Rooney rule. This had some texts from Belichek congratulating Flores, presumably someone mentioned Brian to him and he got mixed up? I have not seen evidence for the other 2 yet but we will see were this goes.

Belichek will have to say what he meant to text. It was obviously a mistake but Bill had to be mistaken that the job had been decided on for it not to be an issue.

You have to give massive kudos to Flores for turning down both the chance to recruit Tom Brady, and to be rewarded financially for securing the first overall draft pick.

You'd like to think all coaches would do the same, but it's very unlikely. His morals seem concrete.

Sounds like an XFL team now

The pro bowl happened tonight.

It gets worse every year, and I only saw 10 minutes of highlights.

Substantial bodily harm does not sound good.

After the incident, yes.

Arrested after the game

I don’t understand what he thinks that will achieve. It doesn’t fix the issues the cardinals have.

A game in Munich and Frankfurt (one each year, alternating) for the next four years.

The designated German teams are Panthers, Chiefs, Patriots and Bucs, so plausible the game will be the 9th home game of one those teams in the year that conference has the extra home game.

Germany to host first NFL regular-season game in 2022 (espn.com)

What's the reason they're limited to marketing in certain countries do you know? And what does it allow (or not allow) them to do?

In the past NFL use to do the marketing en masse, and a club shop in London would have all 32 jerseys. This is basically splitting the team marketing. So Dolphins can open a club shop and do promotional stuff in UK, but not Mexico. I think it's trying to get some countries more concentrated in certain areas rather than a scattered approach.

I think it is a pretty common thing to do in negotiations from some agents. I think the idea is to create shock and outrage among fans that a player might be leaving and encourage the team to pay them more to keep them. Not sure but it isn't the first time and is entirely a non story.

Felt a bit underwhelming alright.

Can you go through the guys that made it and tell me why you think they shouldn't?

It's a great class imo, lot of players who should already have been in the hall. Nice to see them catch up a bit.

Tell me which ones were better then?

Like in their day they were outstanding. Every bit as awesome as the more recent candidates were in their day.

A recent example would be Seymour who has taken five or six years to get in. Why should Demarcus Ware get in quicker than Seymour? They were both as outstanding as each other in their positions.

I'm thinking here that this is a case of favouring players you seen play over ones you didn't?

That instagram stunt will really help change the narrative he’s self centered, immature, and a finger pointer. It sounds like he needs to grow up a bit.

What are the opinions on Stafford now the dust has settled a bit on his Superbowl win? There's been a lot of debate over the past week over whether he should be a candidate for the Hall now.

I personally don't think he's done enough to warrant it. The Hall should be for the absolute cream of the crop, and Stafford is just not that for me. You couldn't even put him top 5 QBs of his generation, and probably not even top 10 (by his generation, I mean QBs he shared at least 3/4 active years with). And whether a victim of being a Lion for all those years or not, he's not even been close to MVP, which is something that the likes of Ryan and Newton have both achieved, neither of which imo, are HoF worthy either.

On the other hand, and this was mentioned this week in the debates, is that the bar has already been somewhat set for QBs going to the HoF, and Stafford has now eclipsed that bar. Should that be maintained is another question, but very much linked with the Stafford argument.

Obviously though, he has a bit left in the tank to bolster his chances. But I can't see him being competitive unless he switches teams again. If the Rams stay competitive next year I'll absolutely refuse to believe that the cap exists, and I'm doubting it a bit as is.

I can see the argument for Eli (even tho I totally disagree) but christ, if Flacco gets in the HoF will lose all meaning whatsoever.

Stafford's not a HOF'er for me, but he's probably got another 5/6 years that could add to that.

Stafford should have left the Lions years ago. If he'd been playing for an in anyway decent team he'd almost certainly have made multiple deep playoff runs over the years. And his stats despite his Lions years are still up there with the best.

If he manages to have another good season or 3 (hes only just turned 34 last week, so could have 5+ years left in the league) I think he'll make it in.

Deserves a job - but what make you think he is 'significantly overqualified' for it ?

Just because he was a HC doesn't mean that he is overqualified for a job as a positional coach - there are many former HCs who became position coaches. Flores has never been a DC - at the Pats he was a ST assistant, a defensive assistant, a safeties coach and then a linebackers coach (the same job he has got now - with a bump as a 'senior defensive assistant').

In my opinion he is exactly where he should be given his experience - and he could indeed turn out not to be great at that job given that BB controlled the defensive side of the ball at the Pats.