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  • Registered Users Posts: 714 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Oh you think it will happen just like that over night? Big ole Flash and the Charities/REITs/Government take over the shop. Loads of people lost their homes in the last recession and will never get on the property ladder again, many were conned into signing over with no fuss. Then there is Taxation, I got a gift sum from a very generous uncle, immediately the bank advised me to pay 30% of it to the taxman and would have taken me out of position of buying the house I wanted and at best would have allowed me to buy a two bedroom apartment in a regional town. Taxation in the West and inflation are out of control. The parallels with Rome are uncanny.

    When a Teacher/Nurse/Garda have trouble securing a mortgage, then your society is in trouble. I am not suggesting that everyone should have the ability to buy a home but there are too many people in Ireland struggling to get on the ladder while other parties are getting accommodation for next to nothing or people who do not contribute to society.



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    People in receipt of social housing are not the problem.

    The government scrapping local authorities own building programs is, along with the sale of council stock to nouveau middle classes during the tiger years



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,513 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    The bank advised you correctly on gift/inheritance tax. If you failed to pay associated liability, there is a risk that Revenue may eventually come looking for it and you will be in deep doodoo.

    It has always been difficult for middle income earners to buy in expensive property markets like Dublin, this is not a new phenomenon and is not exclusive to Ireland.

    While Governments may purchase properties for social housing, this is a tiny percentage of all housing in private ownership, there will never be time when Governments will seize all properties which are privately owned, nor be able to afford universal compulsory purchase. That is just pie in the sky stuff.

    Taxation is necessary, without it services such as healthcare would not be possible, yes we have high taxation, a lot of it indirect, such is life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 714 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    We sorted it out a different way but 30% tax is a killer when tax has already been paid on it before. Is it any wonder smart people have off shore accounts and are leaving Ireland. They are killing us with taxation. Blackrock and another investment company have been buying up 3&4 bedroom properties world wide.

    I never said Taxation wasnt necessary, I said it was excessive. I have no problem with paying my fair share of tax but when you see how it is willfully wasted, then you start asking questions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,583 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Disagree with your first paragraph - estate agents benefit greatly from upwards trending property prices. That is undeniable. And while the percentage they would get for a few hundred or a couple of K increase in a property price, if this price influences the price of another in the area or more than one in the area, the income overall increase.

    The market is and always has been rife for skull duggery (See posts here or any number of threads on here) or one type or another and if EA's are adament that fake bids and the link don't happen, the should do something a bit stronger than what is in place at the moment on it.

    A lot of EA's that I have come across are relatively small operations with each EA usually having a good bit of skin in the game so they see a lot of commission from the sale. I'd expect they are doing well and want to let people know!

    The "younger" in the group are probably on a wage with a small commission with perhaps a company car which explains a lot of the motors out there.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,557 ✭✭✭Ardillaun




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,557 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Being an EA would be a nightmare for me. You’re under constant pressure to sell and the temptation to tell outright lies must be enormous. I’d manage to keep that smiley face on until the hangovers became unbearable. Three months tops.



  • Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭rosmoke


    Why? Cause I wanna know what year it was built? lol

    Last weekend a youngster was upfront at least and said he doesn't know anything, I'd rather that instead of lies.


    Temptation to lie? Not for me, can't be playing games with someone's future.



  • Registered Users Posts: 714 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    You got an estate agent to admit they didnt have a clue? Either you are lying or the young lad had no imagination. In that situation what you do is make up stuff and add in jargon and legalise to really confuse them and made up building regulations. If you look like getting caught, lay down a thick layer of lies and then drive on over it.

    The best story I have is being told I was bidding against a doctor on a house priced circa 230k. Why would a doctor be bidding on a €230k house? They only have 2-3 year contracts, if they were buying they should be able to afford a better house than that, I never met a modest doctor. Houses as investments as buy to lets are dead losses with 50% tax.

    Told the Estate Agent to get bent and have someone else call me from the office. Then told them I was looking at other houses. You do know you are only allowed bid on one house at a time? The problem was the other auctioneer was gazumping twice as fast as the other guy. If gazumping was a sport Ireland would have the first three placings in the Olympics.

    This country is as corrupt as any country in Africa.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,513 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Wouldn’t have thought gazumping is a big thing in Ireland, are you sure you know what it is?

    Your Doctor assumptions are quite something.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,170 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Software engineers would enjoy far more respect though than estate agents and auctioneers. The latter are usually at or near the bottom of any survey of the public's on professional honesty and integrity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 714 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Well I thought we agreed the house had to be sold at the end of the week, and what ever the price was at the end of the week was the price sold. I said at the end of the week, well its the end of the week and I am with the leading price lets wrap up. Low and behold a doctor in the hospital suddenly appears and they want an extra 2k on my over generous bid. There was miscommunication with myself and my wife and I thought we were not buying it and told the Estate agent so. He lost the head with me and told me I was playing with peoples emotions. Well I had heard it all now. "Shure dont you have the doctor to buy it?". We verbally agreed a date and a price and the Estate agent pulled back. Isnt that Gazumping?.

    I have 6 first cousins medical doctors and socialise with three others that I am not related to, none of them are modest. Infact one cousin had 11 houses at the end of the last recession and they ALL got taken away from him and Revenue were after him. I didnt say they werent nice (some are some aren't) but modesty isnt their fortitude.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,513 ✭✭✭✭Dav010




  • Registered Users Posts: 714 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Sounds close enough to a con to me. There was a time agreed and false bids were added.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,513 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    It isn’t, and what makes you so sure there were fake bids? Doctors don’t buy small houses and don’t stay longer than three years is quite a unique reason for suspecting bids are fake.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,510 ✭✭✭Wheety


    Are you a good software engineer? Do you have the experience? You could be on 100k+ if you are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭rosmoke


    Young lad said he was sent by another agent that was handling the sale of the house, he was there just to literally open the door.

    Yeah, most of them would just make up stuff.


    Think the best experience I had was with elderly EA, they would just let you do your thing, be honest with saying they don't know and not make up stuff. Always saying that I can send an email so fair play.



  • Registered Users Posts: 714 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    It just doesnt sound right and your instincts are usually right when you are dealing with scum like Estate agents. Its a tactic to get me to bid harder against the "Doctor". Also he lost the head with me for suggesting I was pulling out when he already had the doctors bid. Also isnt that against GDPR rules to disclose the other bidders profession? Then I asked what if he was Irish to test the waters, he said that wasnt important. Then I asked why did he bring up the doctors profession if it didnt matter. (hint there was no doctor).



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,513 ✭✭✭✭Dav010




  • Registered Users Posts: 714 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    My wife had that similar experience. Met by the young estate agent, "I am just back from holidays and why is this place still on the books?". Firstly the stairs was loosely hanging onto the wall. For those who dont know (because I didn't), a stairs isnt as simple as ordering a new one from the carpenter and fitting it. It may not settle into the wall. When the estate agent was asked questions "well it is in the brouchure or outright lied about it". Needless to say we were out.

    We had a similar experience with another elderly estate agent. He came in and waited in the kitchen said take your time and when you are done come down and I will answer questions. Problem was the house was out of our budget and he didnt have anything that we wanted afterwards. But when we sell we will be getting that guy to sell.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 714 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Well the profession of the bidder wasnt relevant so why did he feel he needed to disclose it? Then when he was asked about it he shut up about it. Assume when you are dealing with a estate agent you are walking into a con.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,513 ✭✭✭✭Dav010




  • Registered Users Posts: 714 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Disclosing third party information (if there was one to begin with). He was a doctor in the local hospital after all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,513 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Disclosing third part information is not forbidden under GDPR regs, disclosing certain private/personal data is. Telling you the profession of a bidder is not identifiable personal data, there are thousands of Doctors in Ireland.

    I’m going to tell you something which I hope will help you in future, EAs work for the seller, not the buyer. Their job is to get the maximum price for the seller, to get bidders to keep bidding until the highest bidder is left standing. They of course are not allowed to made bids up, and must keep a log of all bids which can be scrutinised by the PSRA if they receive a complaint. So make a complaint if you think the “Doctor” doesn’t exist. When you sell, your brief to the EA will be, get as much as you can for my house.

    And go look up GDPR regulations.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 714 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Well there arent "thousands" of doctors working in the local hospital, in the second hospital in the county. I would never have guessed that the Estate agent was working in the sellers interest, in other news water is wet. PRSA are never going to investigate properly one of its own. I have never heard of auctioneers investigating one of their own, unlike the law society. What are they going to investigate, a ledger with a fake phone number? There was a woman going around town in Navan last year making fake bids on the claim she was selling her house and possibly not compos mentis. Do you think the local estate agents were clamping down on her? No they were loving her.

    I am not going to waste my time making a complaint for his uncle and his buddies at the rugby club to dismiss it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,513 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Board members of PSRA, are any of them uncles/buddies of the EA in question?

    Could you identify the other bidder from the data given by the EA? If he said the other bidder was a plumber, civil servant, teacher etc, could you identify him/her?



  • Registered Users Posts: 714 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Not that I know of but but not that I dont know either. None of the names match but that is not to say they all didnt go to the same course. The only reason the PRSA strike off a member is because they are caught out in open ground red handed in the search lights. Michael Lynn was operating like this for years. The only reason he got caught was because he screwed over the banking sector.

    If I wanted to I could have gotten him identified through cousins or associates at the time. Only I dont believe the doctor existed in the first place. If the other bidder in the town was teacher civil servant, etc etc, No because I dont professional connections to ask. It just so happens that my cousins are doctors from the town.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,513 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    I didn’t know Michael Lynn was struck off by PSRA.

    So you now understand GDPR regs were not breached by the EA.



  • Registered Users Posts: 714 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Well he was he struck off by the law society, he was a PSRA member, so you would imagine he was also struck off. He was operating for years like that.

    I am not so sure I couldnt have found out. Any other profession in the town I would have no chance. So the EA gave out too much information.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,513 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    There is no reference online to Michael Lynn ever having been a registered member of the PSRA, maybe you found one.

    Saying someone unknown is a Doctor is not personal information which makes that person either directly or indirectly identifiable so it is not considered personal information for GDPR purposes.



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