New rules-microgeneration scheme

o1aa · 14-01-2022 5:03pm #1

Hi all,

As per the announcements 3 weeks ago it looks like houses built pre-2021 will be able to apply for the SEAI grant. But on the seai website the houses built pre 2011 are only eligible. Am I missing something?

From what I'm reading they havent changed the restrictions on solar panels on the roof. It's still 50% of the roof am I correct in saying that? Ugh I wish they could change this outdates restriction. Anyone knows anything on this?

Also good news we will be paid to export the excess although I know it won't be much.

I have a heat pump and thinking of solar panels but if I can only get,for example, 2kwah install it's not worth the hassle. Unless I can get a bigger system installed.

graememk · 14-01-2022 6:21pm

Will be able to apply.

Its coming I dont know when.

Nobody follows them restrictions at all, Everyone puts up as many as they want.

MAULBROOK · 23-01-2022 4:03pm

Do not worry about the planning, fit as many panels as you can/want.

Get some quotes for starters.

What part of Ireland are you in?

I ask this because not all installers cover Nationwide.

niallers1 · 26-01-2022 2:03pm

What's the latest on this. It's gone very quiet?

Is the microgeneration scheme up an running?

graememk · 26-01-2022 3:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118535431#Comment_118535431

No. Quiet because theres no news.

the_amazing_raisin · 26-01-2022 8:02pm

I think April is the date when they're supposed to have the first feed in rates published

MAULBROOK · 26-01-2022 8:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537397#Comment_118537397

Ah just after the €100 discount on our bill. Good timing that.

the_amazing_raisin · 26-01-2022 8:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537477#Comment_118537477

Yeah what's the bet that all of the supplies will give 2c/kWh on export and hike the import rates by 5c/kWh? 😬

silver_sky · 26-01-2022 9:30pm

The press release said it would be phased and grants for domestic applicants "will transition into the Micro-generation Support Scheme (MSS) grant from January 2021." [sic]

I assume they mean 2022 so hopefully we should see something soon enough. I'm waiting on it also.

Source - https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/bfe21-homes-farms-businesses-and-communities-to-benefit-as-minister-ryan-announces-the-micro-generation-support-scheme/

26-01-2022 9:37pm

I'm told it's 13 cent per kw exported after ringing up energia

Jonathan · 26-01-2022 10:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537814#Comment_118537814

Is that CEG or Energia's Moxia Battery Tariff?

paulbok · 27-01-2022 7:43am

When it does happen, we all know how it will go.

Suppliers will drag their heels as long as possible.

Offer rubbish rates while taking it back in multiples by hiking buying rates. Also making t&c's difficult to follow and having nonsense rules about having specific plant installed to qualify.

Government will do jack about it until forced by public opinion down the line by which time suppliers will have made a small fortune off the free energy fed in to the grid.

Actually most of that is already starting to happen.

As I write this, I'm thinking they don't give a shiny sh1te about fit as once electric cars become more common, they will soak up a lot of excess at source

For me, as we the generators are incurring 99% of the cost of home generation, feed in is essentially free supply to the grid for suppliers/networks, so the fit rate should be very close to the rate you buy at, 80/90%.

The closer it is to parity, the less need for batteries, making it more affordable for new installs, which moves us closer to the renewables targets we currently haven't a hope of achieving.

/rant

27-01-2022 10:43am

It's true they seem tobhave done a deal with Moxia Batterys but in my opinion that's not going to be allowed .ac is ac to grid ..will have to wait and see but I'd imagine that the kw price would have nothing to do with the type of battery you have

27-01-2022 10:44am

Electricity is cheap...it's the taxes that are expensive .

27-01-2022 11:33am

So it's not 13c then?

I don't see anything announced.

slave1 · 27-01-2022 1:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537397#Comment_118537397

April 1st?

27-01-2022 1:47pm

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/b1fbe-micro-generation/#

Alot of info here to read

27-01-2022 3:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118540457#Comment_118540457

I don't see an FIT for domestic mentioned. The CEP tariff is for non domestic.

The €200 tax exemption payment is mentioned again. No real details on that.

From a quick scan nothing really new there.

Non-domestic applicants will be able to apply for a Clean Export Premium tariff for installations between 6kWe and 50kWe. In 2022, the CEP tariff will be €0.135/kWh. The CEP will be offered at a fixed rate for 15 years, and eligible volumes will be capped at 80% of generation capacity to encourage self-consumption
From January 2022, a tax exemption will apply to income up to €200 per annum received by domestic micro-generators from their suppliers by way of the CEG. This will mean that for the vast majority of domestic renewables self-consumers, who will typically have an installation of below 6kW, there will be no need to declare their income from the CEG

the_amazing_raisin · 27-01-2022 6:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118540365#Comment_118540365

April Fools Day joke: Ireland gets a decent feed in tariff 😂

the_amazing_raisin · 28-01-2022 8:17am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118540457#Comment_118540457

One bright spot is that houses built pre 2021 will be able to apply for the PV grant. Previously it was houses built before 2011

silver_sky · 28-01-2022 1:29pm

SEAI website was saying they'd update the grants in mid-Feb but now it's updated to end of Feb. Before we know it they'll be pushing it out to the summer.

https://www.seai.ie/grants/home-energy-grants/solar-electricity-grant/

paulbok · 29-01-2022 8:47am

Same pattern as last year.

the_amazing_raisin · 29-01-2022 10:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118545460#Comment_118545460

They're having trouble getting another college intern to update the website for free 😁

niallers1 · 09-02-2022 5:00pm

https://www.electricireland.ie/news/article/electric-ireland-micro-generation-support-scheme-update

graememk · 09-02-2022 5:28pm

This will be interesting...

Otherwise, you will get paid based on a deemed volume assumption determined by the Commission for Regulation of Utilities (CRU).

So an estimate... Time to try and not export anything 😂 (for people on standard meters)

KCross · 09-02-2022 6:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118606864#Comment_118606864

Its a somewhat complicated equation which results in you not getting paid a whole lot! :)

I saw the formula somewhere a few weeks ago and posted on one of these threads.... cant find it now.

EDIT: Look at this doc. Section 3.2... work out that formula, if you can!

graememk · 09-02-2022 8:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118607082#Comment_118607082

Using the default values, on a 6kw inverter, would export about 1784 kwh.

I actually exported 1589 kwh.

And that was with a 10kwh battery. I now have 20kwh.

Even more reasons to stick on the standard meter.

Although if the feed in tariff is 0c (Cru minimum for ones playing along at home) it doesn't matter a damn.

09-02-2022 10:20pm

Standard Day/Night meter and batteries. Can't see any FIT coming close to that combo for financials.

buzz11 · 09-02-2022 10:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118608425#Comment_118608425

Did I read on another thread that you can stay on day/night rate tariff if your on a smart meter? 🤔

graememk · 09-02-2022 11:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118608523#Comment_118608523

No, you can only have smart or standard tariff, if you leave the standard tariff you can't return.

Smart plans have day and night rates but they aren't the same as a day night meter plans.

theguzman · 10-02-2022 1:44am

Q. When will I be paid for my excess energy?

A. Payment in the form of credit on your bill will be made after June 2022.

Is this purely only credits, if you were generating a few thousand a year of exports could you cash out these exports into actual Euros for non electrical spending, i.e. as a form of income?

graememk · 10-02-2022 7:28am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118608930#Comment_118608930

Well the Cru have set the minimum payment of 0c.

We're sort of expecting it to be 5c for the ones who actually pay it.

If your generating and exporting enough to make a few thousand a year, you'll need more than just the feed in tariff, more like a generation connection.

KCross · 10-02-2022 9:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118608930#Comment_118608930

It’s up to the provider but it will only be credits as we are talking about very small amounts of money (<€100/yr for most people) which will be much less than your bill.

o1aa · 10-02-2022 9:25pm

Srry guys completely forgot about this thread 🤦‍♀️

To answer your question @MAULBROOK I am waiting to see if I'm eligible for any grants (house built in 2017) this year. But I will probably go with option number two. Family member has a solar panel company back home so he can fit the panels for me ☺️ We'd either get the solar panels from Germany or China directly, depends on the shipping costs to Ireland.

poker--addict · 05-09-2022 2:45pm

you wont get 1000s with micro or mini generation, only medium voltage I suspect?

New rules-microgeneration scheme

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