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An Post returning packages from outside the EU-See 1st post

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Postal Headache


    This disproves the claim that it's the absence of taric codes causing the rejections, despite what An Post's defenders on here are desperate to portray. $150 is a lot of money. I hope your grandmother makes the effort to be reimbursed by An Post for services not provided. I will keep you updated on my efforts.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,884 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    The contract is between the sender and their Postal service. An Post have no obligation to you and won't entertain refunds. You should do yourself a favour and read through the whole thread to see how long this is going on and what people have tried to do about it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Postal Headache


    Wow...what a needlessly snarky response. We don't all have the time to read through 1717 posts. You're not a primary school teacher giving me homework. Why don't you politely summarize the actions others have taken to solve the problem and whether they were successful.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭rf4c


    To : Postal Headache - Well said my friend! It's way beyond joking now. Shame on our Ministers and shame on the EU for turning a blind eye.

    I've been down the writing to Ministers route. I even tried the Postal Union, and the EU but ignored by all, including

    An Post CEO. It seems Minister Ryan in his wisdom appointed a new Chair to An Post, one Ms. Bolger and her background

    is banking. I would speculate that An Post has aspirations to be a financial service provider and doing all they can to

    kill off parcel / postal deliveries and watch the private sector pick up the wreckage.


    To: whiterebel: You are patently wrong and as Postal Headache said, please don't talk down to the rest of us as if you had the monopoly on

    wisdom. I think we may have crossed swords on this point in the past. In any event, I think I'm correct in my belief that

    you are a moderator. As such you have no business lecturing participants, offering opinions or taking sides. This is not

    what a moderator is meant to do.

    As for the factual integrity of your "opinion" you would do well to use all that free time you have to read up on

    Postal and Telecommunications Services Act 1983, s. 16. Communications Regulation (Postal Services)



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,884 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    MOD - @Postal Headache - that was in no way a narky response. This has been going on a long time and its not fair on other posters to start going through the whole thing again, and less so to expect posters to sit down and give you a reprise of so many posts. Most of the original problems and suggested solutions would have been covered in the first few pages.


    @rf4c - This is a moderated discussion board. I am perfectly entitled to have opinions on posts. Do not lecture me again on moderation, this isn't the first time.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy


    Myself and others have shared experiences and articles under the #NoPostAnPost tag on Twitter, that's the shorter version of this thread I guess?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,884 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    Mod - rf4c forum ban. Repeated back seat modding and ignoring moderator instruction.



  • Registered Users Posts: 46 MrCouperin


    So, for some reason my parcel was re-sent by normal post instead of by courier. After 9 days, it still hasn't arrived so I'm expecting it to arrive back in England a second time any day now.

    I tried to contact An Post, who told me several times that the TARIC codes were missing, and when I told them I knew for a fact this was a lie, they told me the same thing again. The supplier got a completely different story from An Post, which is that one of the TARIC codes was identified as a banned substance (completely wrongly). When they pointed out to An Post that none of the TARIC codes supplied was listed on An Post's list of restricted substances, they got the same bulls**t back.

    This is getting crazy now, really just absolutely crazy. It's one thing for them to say that they need particular things before they'll deliver - intensely annoying but within their rights. When sellers meet those requirements and still have packages returned en masse, it's just gone beyond what anyone can put up with. I just don't know what to do.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,884 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    That's what was happening with some of it in the early days, its was returned as it was "prohibited".



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,016 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    The prohibited items description is so generalised I can see why they would fall back on it as a catch all excuse



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭deezell


    What happens if you forget/lose property abroad, and your hotel offers to post it back? Is there a taric code for lost and found? I forgot my car/house keys in an EU country, no problem getting them back, but what if it was Turkey, or even just the UK? Imagine AnPost sending back something as important. It should be possible for the receiver to log the tracking no. and details of an expected packet with Anpost, and see in advance if it had enough info, requires a customs payment etc. Something needs to be done.



  • Registered Users Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Cookiee


    I'd pay extra so they send it with a courier, better chance of getting through than an post at the moment



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭oreo47


    Are items without taric codes shipped via fedex also being returned back to the sender?

    I currently have something coming from america stuck in customs here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    I have got packages from Japan via DHL and Fedex without issue in recent weeks. Don't think they had Taric codes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 46 MrCouperin


    I've had a few packages from Japan delivered by FedEx recently myself and there was no issue with those. No TARIC codes given - I think FedEx handle that side of things themselves, I'd say the other couriers do too. The problems are just with An Post, in my experience anyway!

    Speaking of An Post, as if it wasn't bad enough to have a package returned again, I've now got one of those dreaded double VAT charges on another one. They can't do anything right!!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭oreo47


    So when ordering from from the UK besides the HS and taric code what more is needed?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,884 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    The Royal Mail need to complete the electronic declaration correctly. Its on their website now, and at An Post https://www.anpost.com/customs-information



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Dammij


    Like everyone else, I've had my share of good and bad experiences.

    My most recent one was ordering a toy for my grandson last Friday from Japan - I gave it to him this morning!!

    My main need for help is this: In relation to buying in the UK, I accept that that suppliers can use Royal Mail to complete the paperwork

    with all the necessary info, like IOSS and TARIC, etc. but in my case I buy small items from crafts people. Just some person sitting in their kitchen making things and selling them. Is there any way I can involve myself to help things along. For instance could I get their details, sue them to do the online Royal Mail declaration and maybe email them the label? I know many of them just aren't bothered, but some really need the income but to old or set in their ways, so I'd love to help!



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,884 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    Unless Royal Mail/foreign post office do it correctly, it doesn't matter what you do here. The electronic declaration has to be correct for it to work.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy


    I buy from crafts people too but my last item just got lost and as it was regular mail I'd to just pay again, don't think the seller got anywhere with Royal Mail and An Post.

    I ended up sending it to a friend in the North to pass on, think DPD was too expensive for a bracelet



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  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭oreo47


    thanks for the info, that taric code calculator thing does not work properly,

    it's giving all kind of wrong results.

    is there any other ones to use?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭davetherave




  • Posts: 533 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They’re actually becoming a barrier to legitimate trade. It should be taken up with the British and other embassies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 46 MrCouperin


    Someone in Ireland would probably be a better place to start. If there's anyone who gives a s**t, that is. ComReg seem to be pretty much useless.

    It's more than a barrier, it's a complete embarrassment. Australia and some other places won't send packages to Ireland at all. Japan and some other countries have dedicated guides on sending to Ireland - not the EU, specifically Ireland. And that David McRedmond has the gall to stand up somewhere and accept an award for excellence in business, all while presiding over this horror show? You couldn't make it up.



  • Posts: 533 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don’t think ComReg has the mandate to even provide adequate oversight on this. An Post seems to be blaming Customs and Revenue.

    It needs to be raised as it will very rapidly turn into being seen as a non-tariff barrier and could well end up in a very embarrassing situation for the state itself.

    There are complexities with the U.K. being outside the EU, but this seems to be way beyond that if you’ve now got a scenario where various post offices are having to provide Ireland specific advice and are even not accepting items.

    That’s why I would suggest documenting it and writing to the embassies. It’s actually an area where ambassadors play an important role.

    I guarantee you if the Royal Mail were rejecting thousands of Irish items for no good reason, the Irish Embassy would be making a lot of noise in London.

    It looks to me like as the huge volume of extra bureaucracy on parcels from U.K. online stores has swamped An Post and they’re not adapting and that’s also impacting other countries.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭deezell


    I know Australia have pretty much labelled Ireland as a basket case to post to, but this supplier of a particular WiFi USB dongle I was seeking has obviously had a bad experience with Ebay orders from here!




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭davetherave


    They are also charging stupid amounts to send it to France, DR Congo, Brazil, New Zealand, and Canada, so not just Ireland. ebay.ie/itm/255145636205



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,884 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    MOD- I have split off the posts about incorrectly charging due to IOSS to its own thread. Please post there about those issues and leave this one for problems with the goods being returned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 35,939 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I have noticed that a lot of places in UK will ship worldwide, USA, Australia, EU, ect, but that in the country list Ireland is not there as an option. Crazy! So many have removed Ireland from the EU list, that is telling of the carrot crunchers here who can't do there job right.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭deezell


    Yep, the solution is to strip Anpost of the responsibility of first receiver of non EU mail, put it out to tender, let the successful bidder deal with collecting the customs duty or revenue Vat, then push the now 100% cleared parcels onto AnPost's doorstep for interference free internal delivery. The Deutches post European facility in Germany for this is run under contract by Swiss Post specialists, every non EU sourced parcel that leaves there is cleared for internal EU delivery, until, that is, they forward them to AnPost, who repeat the process according to their basket case method. The Government needs to mandate someone like DHL in Germany to do what AnPost can't or won't.



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