Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

So some lies are OK then?

I wonder how many other lies were we told about covid?

I would have thought credibility in public health advice was important

They've basically admitted some of it was bullshit

I know there were some on here, far more educated than me on this subject, that said PCR was the way to go, and antigen was a waste of time and we could not be trusted to use them. I used to wonder alright about those PCR's giving positive results due to old viral whatevers hanging around after you are no longer sick or contagious. And yet, most of the world still considers them the acid test. Confused.

They are complimentary. PCR will catch more cases (asymptomatic and viral fragments from a recovered case included) and are excellent for diagnostic and statistical purposes. Antigen tests are excellent for allowing individuals to assess their own situation but with a much larger margin of error depending on the circumstances. It had been reported for a long time that antigen tests are highly accurate when someone is symptomatic and when the viral load is highest (i.e. most likely to be contagious).

Ideally PCR tests could have been primarily used to collect accurate statistics on spread in the community and antigens could have been used as a method of mitigation by individuals but we got the whole “snake oil” nonsense and heard how we should “trust the experts” so long as it wasn’t the experts saying the opposite of our experts. 🤷‍♂️

Indeed Professor Mina stated this months ago in reference to Nolans and Holohans views on Antigen Testing. This testing is tracking infectiousness at a particular period of time whereas PCR will pick up everything.

Mina was one of the many US academics who made tools of themselves during this and it was all about ego over common sense for the vast majority. May we never hear from them again!

I despair a bit over an attitude like this. 'Ah sure let it be it was for our best and what can you do.' It so defeatist and subservient.

Lies and manipulation need to be exposed or it will happen over and over again. If you're happy with that knock yourself out I'm not.

Was he though? Was he not right! What about some our own academics here! What have had some prize tulips throughout this! Not using antigen testing earlier was and will always be bullsh*t to me in our overly conservative response and unforgiveable in that the cost we are all going to pay for the Covid response in this country! They tools of themselves here too with their carryon over it!

Also in relation to this; - but in many countries antigen did not get bad press initially. They were identified for a purpose and deployed for that purpose, alongside PCR.

Still find it absolutely bizarre that a nation of 5 million people can have experts that disagreed so stringently on ‘science’ with their European counterparts, representing close to 450 million people.

Hospital numbers have flatlined! 594 in hospitals tonight only a decrease of 1 from 8am

She’s not okay at all! Never has been. It’s pessimism central with her and Independent Sage

This sounds more like you're trying to make data suit your own view of things. It was right to be cautious about it until we saw that Omicron behaved in exactly the same way in a European winter. The huge surge in cases took that all that autonomous decision making right off the table.

At public level some of the approaches have been extreme, perhaps unnecessary in places but they are looking at a lot more than one individual. As a variant it still had an impact on health systems and the general thinking that it was just a cold for everyone was what they were concerned about because of the sheer numbers of cases.

Have you read anymore of here tweets? She’s not balanced at all! herself and Deepti are worse then our lot here!

Question for anyone who's had COVID, have you had COVID but antigen tests came back negative?

Im in bits but my antigen tests are negative, so im convincing myself its a bad head cold. But thats what people claimed COVID feels like.

Her mantra is that we shouldn’t have any normality again. She wanted the UK to go back into lockdown at xmas, she was quite upset when the UK lifted restrictions, are you not happy about that either? She thinks pre 2020 will never return. However most people have their normality returned already, i can do most of the things i did in 2019.

She is either deluded and thinks that we can win the battle with Omicron and a good auld lockdown will get rid of it. Not a hope it’s too transmissable or she’s happy enough to lockdown and restrict society indefinately.

The above is not viable at this stage. Our best bet at this stage is to build up natural immunity alongside vaccination. It’s our best defence at this stage.Lifting most restrictions was the best call imo so more people can gain immunity and Omicron eventually becomes like most viruses in the background.

Some people have really lost the plot though. I was talking to a lady who runs a very popular wealthy business. She says to me “ oh i loved the lockdown, it was great! I’d do another one in the morning”. Jesus Christ!